jonathan soros, dan cantor, we'll be watching what happens. thank you very much for this very informative discussion. >> thank you, bill. >> thanks for having us. >> there's a familiar saying in politics that campaigning is poetry and governing is prose. not on this broadcast. here, poetry is poetry, period, and holds a cherished place, which is why we maintain a sort of poet's corner and welcome back to it our friend, martÍn espada. growing up tough and puerto rican in the city and then in the segregated suburbs of long island, martÍn espada wove his life's experience into poetry, composed even as he studied history and law and worked as an advocate for tenant's rights in boston. now he teaches poetry at the university of massachusetts, amherst and has published 16 books, including his recent collection, "the trouble ball." martÍn espada welcome back. >> thank you. >> there's a very short poem in the book, four lines long, that i wonder if it's autobiographical. it's the poet's son. >> yes, it's in the book, and, yes, it is. the poet's son wa