this is something albert einstein said american foreign-policy encountering just a mccarthy in the late 1940'sso it is time to, as lincoln would say, disenthrall ourselves in deal with the real world as it exists out there, and this will require a serious dialogue and serious change in the thinking of the people who occupy a very important positions in washington, and that is what the book is about. [applause] [inaudible] >> no. i took too much time. i'm glad you did. you should have cut me shorter. >> a lot of questions here. the defense budget. i think you touched upon this quite a bit. and a lot of people ask questions before you got to it. the question is, can we really reduce the defense budget? do you think it is too high? and the think there is any chance of doing so through congress? >> well, the chance of doing anything to congress's fraught with all sorts of peril. as i said at the outset, the defense budget is the third rail of american politics. hard to mention any real savings for real changes in the defense budget without antagonizing not only the republicans, but certain democra