and jackie winn, vice president of the global residency division of emc. >> thank you. >> so diversity's always been a hot topic, but on the whole is diversity better than it was 20, 30 years ago? are we more diverse than we were before? >> we are diverse in terms of visible difference. i think there's still opportunity for more of the invisible diversity as it relates to thought, as it relates to experience and background. we have an opportunity to play more in that space. >> i would say that i would have to disagree. i think that it just depends on the industry and depends on the business. but i think that our country understands that it is a business imperative and that everyone's committed to changing it and working on it. >> i would probably agree. i think in the technology field we need to do more around science and mathematics for people of color. i think that especially women coming into technology fields. i think also from a global perspective we really need to think about what that diversity really means in terms of levels of education, access to