and on race they could win on values issues lee atwater invented that interesting story before lee atwater died he was he died of a very painful brain tumor but in his last days he said he regretted the injury that he did to to democracy and to america by dividing us like he did but the republicans don't regret it the republicans continue it and now the good news for the republicans is they have judges on the supreme court dressed up like jurists who really are no more than politicians and that's who alito is thomas scalia roberts and kennedy there's no difference between them and a republican politician yeah and on top of that they've claimed now it ever since eighty three of the right to strike down laws any mark mike happen tonio mark riley thank you both gentlemen tonight i think they're great to see both. coming up our phone lines are now open for your take my take live segment so if you want to chance to ask a question live here on the big picture give us a call to go to i don't for a twenty one thirty four we'll be talking with you after the break. potentially deadly blizzard taking

way. >> that goes back to napoleon. >> well lee atwater made it famous in our world.s right. for the democrats, you watch these guys and you see on the one hand they've lost the middle which is great for the democratic party because everything they lose we pick up. on the other hand, they're attacking their base, which is going to result in not victories for moderate candidates who can win general elections, but it's going to result in right wing candidates getting their backs up, getting in these primaries, and they're low turnout primaries, and they win, and then they can't win general elections. >> let's talk about another strategy which is called flood the zone, like in basketball or football. you get so many players in one area, somebody is going to catch the ball. president obama has been relentless in agitating for action on a number of issues he wants to address. yesterday in minnesota it was gun restrictions. today it's immigration reform with business and labor leaders meeting at the white house. nbc's first read identifies the strategy. the obama white hous