f.d.r., l.b.j. he likes to converse on all of these presidencys. you learn about the mistakes and also the advantages that other presidents had. now, lincolnd by barack obama because no matter how badly he might have it with congress, lincoln had it worse. i mean the country just being ripped apart. >> u now, a survey came back saying number one was lincoln, two, washington, three, f.d.r., four, teddy roosevelt, five, truman. now, what do all of these presidents have in common? and what does that tell us about where president obama might ultimately end up? >> all of them have a huge amount of self k69s. they believe in their own gain. you also have to communicate well with the exception of true man, who wasn't that good with media, you know, theodore ro roosevelt was extremely good with cartoonists and novelists and poets. lincoln, writing such eloquent pieces as, you know, the gettysburg address, able to communicate the emotions of the time to the american people. washington was different because he was first: wae wa came in and didn't know what foreign policy he should be. should he be doing business with britain? he didn't know how to o