about pursuing divestment strategies in the era of mass incarceration, meaning divesting from private prisons. the united methodist church, actually, the national united methodist church just announced that they have decided to divest from private prisons. you can say, well, what is a church doing investing in private prisons in the first place? well, you know, churches invest in pensions and mutual funds, right? and very often we don't even know what companies our mutual funds are invested in. well, private prisons have become profitable, so many investment portfolios now include private prisoners as one of the profitable companies that any institution ought to invest in. um, and so you can wonder, you know, is this institution that we're in invested in private prisons? i don't know. >> they are! >> what churches are invested, have funds in private prisons? so i think a divestment campaign, um, urging universities, churches, corporations to divest from private prisons directly as well as any mutual fund or pension plan that has even one penny invested in private prisons could be very helpful in crippling the private prison industry. but more i

when you look at the nra list, the american medical association, national association of police organizations. league of women voters, ywca, united methodist church, these are not enemies of the second amendment. we all don't have to agree with you to not be an enemy. >> i think clarence is exactly right in terms of it's very important for them to stoke this feeling of victim hood and besiegement and paranoia among the membership. and, you know, maybe we can through the smurfs on the list and argue what kind of threat brittany spears poses to america. this is kind of casting this wide, absurd net that has no bearing upon kind of a serious conversation of what needs to be done here. >> now, clarence, the president is pushing a big agenda. and he's dealing with it from newtown to chicago. look at what happened in the super bowl ads. he's really pushing a huge effort here to try and deal with gun reform. >> that's true. and i think -- >> the nra once supported background checks. >> we think it's reasonable to provide mandatory, instant criminal background checks for every sale at every gun show. >> america can do this for us. please. >> now,

the savannah book festival live to in nation today.the nation today. [applause] round of applause. please be on your best behavior. you are representing savannah. this beautiful day the trinity united methodist church is sponsored by mr. and mrs. jack romano. our speaker this hour, former navy psychologist heidi kraft is sponsored by mr. and mrs. john pepper. dr. kraft received a ph.d. in clinical psychology in 1996. daring her psychology internship at drake medical center she joined the navy as an in-flight specialist and clinical psychologist. in february of 2004 when her twin working months old she was deployed in iraq for seven months with a marine surgical unit. her book, rule number 2, is about her experience in iraq. today she is a consultant for the navy and the marines post-traumatic stress disorder treatment programs, please welcome dr. heidi squier kraft. [applause] >> good morning. so i have been doing a fair amount of speaking over the last few years and i have to say i am quite certain this is my first talk in which the vice president warmed up the audience for me. it may not be the last but it is the first and i wish he was here to hear me say that and and respectfully say tha