. >> special the county attorney, but jealous -- the shelby county , said we butch ellis have made tremendous strides. >> shelby county is the last place you want to make this case because the evidence of verifies keeping that county covered. chief justice roberts thinks things have changed. things have not changed that much. go back to the last convention. the evidence of attempted voter suppression is pervasive in this country. even more states probably should be covered than are already covered. >> that is sort of the point of shelby county. it says, you have not re- evaluated if it is already covered. we have not looked at this in any new way to see if there are any new problems. >> the other argument is by any standard if you look at where we were in 1964-1965 and look at where we were in the last elections, even though there were some problems, we have travelled a long, long way. >> there is a fact of the lowest ratio of black-white turnout in the country is massachusetts and the highest is mississippi. it tells you that there, using the template of the '60s is the wrong template, and e