. >> good morning, my name is john ogrady and i have been a regular user of the law library for more than 25 years. i have or i have given educational workshops on how to prevent financial elder abuse and other state planning topics at the law library. i have often encountered low income people who cannot afford a lawyer trying to do research in the law library, i remember that i had a hell of a time doing research. and i still have a hard time. i don't know how how many does it without legal training, sometimes they ask me questions about how to do their research. and i am really glad to help them on occasion. and these people do not have a voice here today and so we are speaking for them and the road to democracy is the road begins at the law library, without access to justice, without access to the courts, without access to the legal materials, to present their cases, there is no justice, there is no democracy. so, enough is enough. please listen to us, please stop the devastating cuts to the law library. >> my name is har on the ross and i have been practicing criminal defense la