john schindler from the naval war college. he is an expert but i'm a little afraid of this question. >> i find it incredibly fitting that we are having this discussion 10 years to the day of operation iraqi freedom where we have seen a tactical operation by the u.s. military but calling it a strategic failure and died as today while it's easy to of course fault the bush administration and its leadership in why we fell there are a lot of its military to think -- we had serious reform especially in the naval war college after vietnam in an effort. twofold question. do you think the climate is moving in that direction due to not only your work but the general work in two in the early 70's that took a good admiral and a much lower institution. what would it take now? >> a great question and to take it in two parts, in about 2005, when it was clear that iraq was a strategic failure, there was a mandate dod wide i think that we certainly got it in the end institution and again everything is an acronym, countering ideological support