. >> then l.j. and alex found oliver.s even younger than they were. >> i had just played my school's talent show, and i put up a video -- or my dad put up a video of me playing it, and alex and l.j. saw the video, and then they called me up. and then one day after school, we just played together. >> all three of them write songs. they chose the name going dark because their songs shine a light on serious issues. >> you know, lots of people think that we write only about dark things, but there's always hope in the world... and in our songs. >> so, listen more closely, and you'll discover this song, "stand up," is about standing up to bullies. >> ♪ stand up for yourself ♪ stand up for what you believe in ♪ ♪ don't start what you can't finish ♪ ♪ if you think you're a tough guy, you better keep dreaming ♪ >> the music video makes the point even more dramatically. oliver says he wrote it after he was picked on at school. >> ♪ the only thing you have is that you're a disgrace ♪ ♪ stand up for yourself ♪ stand up for what you b

. >> what you see in the clip that you just showed in the showtime film by l.j.utler was a complete absence of self-reflection. no regrets. no we could have done it better. if we could do it all, i might have done this. >> do you think he enjoys this stuff? >> i think he believes and this may be psychotic on his part that eventually he will be redeemed and justified, but lawrence wilkinson in the documentary -- >> the chief of staff to colin powell. >> that will be on later tonight had a great word for this. he describes very simply what ron just said. he called it a hoax, and when you sell a hoax you've got two things. you've got to want it to happen and you have to believe it a little bit and you have to have somewhat of a psychological imperative and maybe a psychotic personality to make it work. >> you're thought, ron? >> you know, when you have a big lie, you've got to have a big denial to follow it and the denial's got to be resilient. one of this size is the type that people go to the grave with, and it's hard to watch cheney, and the whole gang of neocons

. >> what you see in the clip that you just showed in the showtime fill p film by l.j.utler was a complete absence of self-reflection. no regrets. no we could have done it better. if we could do it all, i might have done this. >> do you think he enjoys this stuff? >> i think he believes and this may be psychotic on his part that eventually he will be redeemed and justified, but lawrence wilkinson in the documentary -- >> the chief of staff to colin powell. >> that will be on later tonight had a great word for this. he describes very simply what ron just said. he called it a hoax, and when you sell a hoax you've got two things. you've got to want it to happen and you have to believe it a little bit and you have to have somewhat of a psychological imperative and maybe a psychotic personality to make it work. >> you're thought, ron? >> you know, when you have a big lie, you've got to have a big denial to follow it and the denial's got to be resilient. one of this size is the type that people go to the grave with, and it's hard to watch cheney, and the whole gang of neocons