ms. mollie steinert has also that track record based on her application, based on what i've heard here today. and, so, i'm prepared to be open minded about a suggest. so, i'll wait to hear from my colleagues on that and be willing to work out a compromise here. >> so, again, tough decision. both of you are well qualified. and even listening to your comments to supervisor cohen's question didn't make it any easier. however, i still would like to support mollie in this. and when i listen to her speak about the issues, her passion for the issues just comes out. and the fact that she's been involved with these issues for many, many years tells me that there's a track record. and sometimes it's not about politics. sometimes it's not about other things. and for me it's really important that a person's passion in her work or his work is the number one priority for me. so, that would be my preference, though. >> like i'm going to be outvoted here because i feel like my person, but -- >> me, too. [laughter] >> i have to make a decision here. we're trying to be as judicious and thoughtful about it as