back then but come on, we have science, we have technology, we have iphones n this book, i'm trying to address are there rayu know if god need my help in that sort of thing, positioning. >> crass to be rebranding or what -- why did you flinch? >> actually language we use now. people -- >> it's a good thing. >> people have been doing this for house to sands of years. this is one of our jobs as human also, we ask big questions. that's what we do. any faith that's worth anything should have lots of room for doubt and struggle and questions and even saying we used to think that way, now we don't. >> you've used the word, at least four or five times now in the space of a minute and a half. define reverence, what is this rev vers ar s are reverence that jane fonda referred to? >> it is what it is but it is beyond itself a great meal with friends and you say to the host, that was transcendent. >> i have never said that. >> ha ha. >> better dinner party. >> may have talked about your soul story. you may have talked about how that thing took you higher. we have -- it's very sort of metaphor cal, mythical language, e