so in short there's nothing close to overwhelming evidence to support ralph reed's claim it's false. >>> new at 6:00, pg&e keeping score saying it's making progress. nearly two and a half years after the deadly san bruno explosion, the utility is checking off more measures. there is a list of 12 changes pg&e has to make to improve its pipeline network. today the pipeline announced it checked three more items off the list bringing the total number of fixes to seven. among the newly completed task is the development of a public awareness plan to make sure communities are aware of important information regarding nearby gas lines. >>> investigators say a fire that torched an apartment building overnight started in a tenant's kitchen. firefighters were called out to an apartment complex off of 680 just before midnight. firefighters evacuated 21 people. the fire seriously damaged two upstairs apartments before firefighters could knock it down. luckily no one was hurt. >>> san jose police are investigating a deadly crash early this morning. a man was speeding south on monterey near kurtner

watching ralph reed with the most ridiculous argument i've ever heard of the many ridiculous arguments against gay marriage. he's arguing the only reason people get player sid to have children. people get married because they want to be in a loving, committed relationship with each other. there is no reason that fundamental right should be denied. >> to steve's point, ralph reed was not discussing the lawful he is talking about religion and emotional reaction to marriage and the sanctity of it. i want to play this. he was on "meet the press." >> what i said, i think we're going to win. i don't think we're going to win 5-4. i think this is a basic civil rights issue. and i don't think there is the kind of issue that will divide the court the way some other issues divide the court. >> what is your take on that with prop 8? will it divide the court as some other issues? >> i think it will be divisive. i can't call exactly what the numbers breakdown will be but it is important to note that in the california situation, what you've got is a state that first gave rights to same sex marriage.

ralph reed can just go fly a kite. >> i'm glad didn't say the other thing.new what was coming. >> i'm trying to keep my job. >> if i don't see you both, happy easter. >>> coming up, believe it or not, there is a relatively simple explanation for a car that wound up on the roof of a house in california. we will explain next. >> they are first and foremost people. so wherever she goes, they follow. at the same time, yes. as she is traveling through many different lands there are other languages she comes across. >> we have other languages coming up on the show that need to be invented. we are hoping david will do those for us as well. >> i would like to keep creating for languages. that's the dream of everybody to sit down and create a language. if you're looking to go to school, you deserve more than just flexibility and convenience. so here's a few reasons to choose university of phoenix. our average class size is only 14 students. our financial tools help you make smart choices about how to pay for school. our faculty have, on average, over 16 years of fiel

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. >> ralph reed, founder and chairman of the faith and freedom coalition. h, thank you for coming on. >> you bet, chris, good to be with you again. >> thank you. i'm just setting it up, what looks to be the direction of the court. perhaps a narrow decision. perhaps just dealing with california. perhaps positively for the pro-choice or the pro same-sex marriage community. how do people on the conservative side of things, you, how will you react to that? what will be your plan? >> well, if that were to happen, and, of course, this is not my first rodeo. i know it's not yours. i don't tend to put a lot of -- lay down a lot of bets on oral arguments. you know, it's very hard to interpret how the court's going to rule based on the reparte and oral arguments. if they were to do that, chris, i think it would be profoundly disappointing. the people of california voted not once, but twice that they wanted marriage defined between a man and a woman. i think this kind of issue, as we saw with the very polarizing and highly divisive issue of roe v. wade is best left to

ralph reed yesterday on "meet the press." >> the issue before the country is do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable, enduring, uniquely complimentary, procreative union of a man and woman. >> you look at divorce rates -- >> the answer, that would be an argument why we ought to strengthen it. >> so steve, there's ralph reed saying this is about the procreative union of a man and woman, which i guess makes rush limbaugh's first three marriages and so far his current marriage indefensible? >> this is exactly the point. when you're talking about civil marriage, marriage recognized by the state, whether it is the first, second, third, fourth, fifth or sixth marriages for some of these people, it is a legal marriage in the eyes of the state. and there will be gay people in happy marriages and gay people in unhappy marriages and there will be divorced gay people. but what is necessary at this point now when you look at the institution of marriage, the profound happiness it can bring to people, a, and b, the fact that it strengthens society, it is an ins

you have ralph reed on "meet the press" saying he doesn't think it's going to change.et washington post polling, republicans 18 to 49, a majority-supporting same sex marriage. what does the party do? because the politics and the principle seem to be running in opposite directions. >> well, look, i think that generational change happens. and you see these things -- you know, wind up happening over a generation, over a couple decades. the politics and the polling, like you mentioned, we'll talk about more, has changed rapidly. even just the past five years, president obama's position on civil unions versus now he's fully in favor of same-sex marriage. hillary clinton, who if she wants to run in 2016, she's going to -- she's in favor of same-sex marriage. any democrat who runs has to be in favor of it. republicans at this point still undecided. >> it's a more dicey territory. quickly, it's amazing to me that people forget, president obama, then senator obama, and then senator clinton, both oppose gay marriage and supported civil unions in the '08 presidential campaign fiv

this is where the tension comes from, ralph reed talking about evangelicals will sit out.rs after the election, he was like oh, forget it. ignore everything i've said for the last seven years. on the one hand, folks on the left can appreciate that they see it is a loser issue and if fox news throws in the towel on immigration hate, if they do, you know, it would make it easier for change to happen. just like oh, forget it. >> stephanie: didn't even bother to -- you're not supposed to say it out loud. you're supposed to say i've had an evolution in my thinking. put a little effort into it. >> there was no court case. no new legislation. we lost. forget it. >> stephanie: yeah. how did enjoy the republican autopsy, by the way? >> that was fascinating. as i wrote on friday, you know, i said by the way roger -- roger ailes isn't buying it. the report was about reaching out to women. reaching out to gays, reaching out to all minorities. if you watch fox news, they're not interested and of course roger ailes was taking his star turn last week with this -- this puppet sort of bio

you had an exchange with ralph reed. he works with gary over at the faith and freedom coalition.te about it afterwards. >> that the enduring, loving, intact biological mother and father is best for children and it's not even a close call. the only issue before the court is, is there a social good to that and does the government have a legitimate interest in protecting and strengthening? >> you obviously were moved by that because you wrote an article in "the washington post." >> yes. >> saying that what he said seared your heart. explain. >> well, ralph reed was on there saying my children would be better off with someone other than me as a parent. you know, i think the fact is first of all i think i'm a pretty good parent but second of all, all of the studies have shown, every single study actually given credibility has shown that there is just as much love and hope and support for kids in families with gay parents as not. and, in fact, what i would have said had there been more time on "meet the press" is that, you know, ralph reed and his coalition had plenty of opportunity wh

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and so when i hear ralph reed or rush limbaugh, it reminds me of someone seated in solitary confinementey're talking to themselves with their own voices echoing. >> the voices in rush limbaugh's head are strong and loud. but let's open this up to our panel in new york. karen, could we be, there's a lot of talk of this rnc document and the fact that it doesn't mention church or christianity. and some blow-back as you're seeing from evangelicals about where at the table the social conservatives sit. i will read an excerpt from the always-wise jonathan chate who said when you're overburdened with ideological baggage you're not necessarily going to throw away the heaviest thing you're carrying, you're going to throw away the thing you like the least. for people running the republican party, that's social issues. >> the problem that the republican party is having, is the value these say they espouse do not match the policies they are preaching. do not match then the political reality of the country. chad knows, i've known chad a long time, he knows this as well as anybody, think about how th

we also heard yesterday from conservative, rolf lead -- ralph reed. >> i think the issue before the court and the issue of the american people, and they have voted in 31 state referendum initiatives for state marriage. only three have been voted the other way. this test very differently at the ballot box. the issue before the country is, do we have a compelling interest in strengthening and supporting the durable, and during, and uniquely complementary in pro credit union of man and woman. that would be an argument for why we should strengthen it. the reason why is it is better for children and all the social science shows that. "washingtonreed on press" yesterday. send us a clear it overturned in california with proposition 8 at the heart of one of two cases. you can see the line up. here is a photograph from paris. gay marriage upon it clashed with police. this is an issue not just here in the united states. hundreds of thousands of people poured into the center of the city residents plan to legalize gay marriage and adoption. a couple of other stories in the news this morning. this fro