ron paul. dr. paul great to hear from you.have you been doing with your time when you left congress? >> waiting for you to call. i'm delighted for you to hear from you. david: we'll call every day. you will get sick of me. >> i've been pretty busy traveling, talking about, what other thing can i talk about? i talk about the fed and economy and fixing interest rates and all the bizarre things that we've been living with. why the fed helped us run up that deficit. all those kind of things i think you heard about. david: one thing you haven't been doing unfortunately is grilling ben bernanke like you used to do when you were a house member. there was one classickings changes between you and ben bernanke. let's play the exchange and then i want you get you to react to it and the current events. play the exchange. >> do you think gold is money? >> no. it is not money. precious metal. >> even though for 6,000 years, somebody reversed that and eliminated that economic law? >> well, it's, it is an asset. i mean, would you say treasury

we unite these factions to really focus on a cohesive unified opposition again i think that what ron paul and i approve is. plenty of space in american politics for a new movement which goes across partisan lines which embraces the concerns of democrats and republicans liberals and conservatives that's based on the truth and protecting the constitution and taking care of our practical aspirations share at home and sharply curtailing this aggression that america has practiced around the world so i think you know ron paul and i have been able to demonstrate this capacity of creating new possibilities and frankly since the two parties continue to fail to address america's economic problems i think that the american people increasingly will be looking towards alternatives as we move towards a future i call it the two party dictatorship congressman let's talk about civil liberties which is something that you have been very vocal about in your entire term rand paul i'm sorry epic his epic filibuster not really supported by a single democrat i mean how is it that drones and due process are a par

people absolutely let's talk about your presidential run in two thousand and eight both you and ron paul were pretty much the leading antiwar figures of course on both sides of the spectrum of both parties i remember leftists and libertarians at the time calling for you guys to be running mates because you were so united against the wars and for the restoration of our civil liberties now these factions are so divine. they're more divided than ever before and it just seems like without any representation to have us these dividing factions fighting each other instead of the forces that we should be fighting against is really counterintuitive how do you think it got to be this way and how can we unite these factions to really focus on a cohesive unified opposition again i think that what ron paul and i proved is that there is plenty of space in american politics for a new movement which goes across partisan lines which embraces the concerns of democrats and republicans liberals and conservatives that's based on the truth and protecting the constitution and taking care of our practical aspir

the ron paul revolution, the rand paul revolution.tion was getting those folks in place like chris just said. that would be wild. especially to have the rnc wants to sort of move away from caucuses and more towards primaries, right, charlie? >> i think the potential for rand paul to eclipse his father by multiple times over is really great. because his father was a niche candidate. rand paul has some potential crossover appeal. enough to win a general election? i seriously doubt. and that's what you know, i think a lot of republican leaders really fear. is that he could you know, win the republican nomination and take him down to a 64 level loss. but his, his ability to reach far beyond the ron paul constituency -- >> he has more charisma than his dad did. chris i want to get to another story in d.c. that's what the democrats have to do in the 2014 mid-terms to keep the u.s. senate. do they perhaps have a better chance of losing the senate than they do of winning the house? some tough defense, mark begich, land roh, hagen, pryor, bauc

it is like ron paul talking about civil liber tees. what is going on? >> why cooperate they have started with something less explosive? knives are not explosive. >> do you remember when you first went to europe at age six? >> yes, my family. i went to europe when i was 6. who do you think i am? >> that's how they roll in berkeley. we used to get a swiss army knife from europe and you would bring it back home or give one to your friends. you can't do that anymore. there are all of these pointless things that happened over the years, and it is nice to see it roll back a little bit. >> the only thing i got when i got to europe was hepititis, a, b, f. f for fun. jay how excited are you -- >> how excited are you about the lacrosse sticks? you use that in a novelty ago playing the angry guy. >> i play lacrosse on the road to get myself out of the room and away from the women and the booze for a few hours. >> you need that outlet. >> you do. i do most of my writing while i play lacrosse. >> and wearing a plaid skirt. >> i am excited, greg. i am excited. we can

and for years former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul argued the u.s. should return to the gold standard it appears one state is taking his advice we'll tell you about the texas is about texas' plan to order gold. from atlas car chases to cover an every move the royal couple has the mainstream media made that made themselves irrelevant we'll take a look at the state of the media here in the u.s. . it's tuesday march twenty sixth eight pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our t.v. . we begin today with what's perhaps one of the most secretive meetings of the world's most powerful people the bohemian grove retreat is held every summer in monterey california top government am business leaders are among those that attend a men's only event it's been going on for decades but what actually happens there remains a mystery and that's because the two week gathering is completely closed to the media but now infamous hacker is trying to shed some light on what goes on there the hacker goose of our has handed over e-mails to our team here's o

ron paul, you saw the biggest crowds, the most diverse crowds and the youngest crowds. that's what rand paul is going to capitalize on. should he run and it looks like he will run. i think over the last months and weeks you've seen obviously a split between the establishment and the tea party folks. rubio can't decide which one he is. rand paul, however, is very, i think solid and comfortable with his brand and who he is. it's part of ron paul, he's modified a little bit in terms of foreign affairs and international affairs. but i think he is a comer and folks in the republican party i talk to really like him. they think he's the person who can really intellectualize a tea party in the way that ron paul couldn't. he was a little meandering on the stump. they like what they see in terms of rand paul. and they also see in marco rubio somebody who might not be ready for the national stage in terms of the intellectual gravitas to go against somebody like hillary clinton. >> rand paul is so interesting. i went down to bowling green, kentucky and spent a few days with him when

and for years former congressman and presidential candidate ron paul argued the u.s. should return to the gold standard it appears one state is taking his advice we'll tell you about texas' plan to hoard gold. and he's pushing for a ban on some guns in the u.s. but new york mayor michael bloomberg has a long history of going out there so does trans fats and smokers so is he turning his mentor his office into a monarchy. it's tuesday march twenty sixth five pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching r t. but again today where the watch for house one of the most secretive meetings in the one of the world's most powerful rich and powerful people the bohemian grove retreat is held every summer and monorail california top government ad business leaders are among those that attend the men's only event it's been going on for decades but what actually happens there remains a mystery and that's because the two a gathering is completely closed to the media but now one infamous hacker is trying to shed some light on what goes on there the hacker group so far has

>> well, i will say this about ron paul and i think rand paul is a more realistic version of ron paul draw very enthusiastic crowds, very diverse crowds and young crowds, and i think a rand paul will be able to tap into some of that. i do think there is this deep distrust of the government that borders on conspiracy theories, but in a lot of ways i think there's this deep distrust and misgivings around a lot of the big institutions that people think have failed them. and in many ways i think that rand paul will be able to tap into that successfully. moderate republicans are a little afraid of rand paul because they feel like -- >> who, who? moderate republicans? who are -- i'm sorry, who are they? i'm not sure -- who are they? do they exist? i didn't know they existed. >> nia-malika henderson and toure, obviously one hour is not enough for toure. coming up, russell simmons says the nra can keep their yankee hat wearing spokesman and their african-american campaigns for themselves. stay with us. >> any male catholic can be elected pope. >> any male catholic, huh? i already know a male

texas congressman ron paul won two years before that.college students at cpac and they are big ron paul fans. and sometimes they have a showing in the straw poll. only two winners of the presidential straw poll have gone on to become president of the united states. ronald reagan and george w. bush. we'll see where this group of conservatives, what they're feeling today, where they vote and who comes out on top in a few minutes. >> you mentioned the track record of this conference as far as predicting future presidents is not great. some of those in the past who have won the cpac straw poll, jack kemp was a three-time winner, phil gramm, steve forbes, gary bower, rudy guiliani, george allen and ron paul was a two-time winner. not a president among them on that bunch. i guess the question is, what's the significance of this announcement once we find out who the winner was? >> it sort of takes the temperature of this room some of the movers and shakers in the conservative movement. some of the opinion makers, a lot of tv and radio people op

smoked his way through one conversation with ron paul back when ron paul was first running for presidentbertarian. in that interview, as in so many interviews, morton downey jr. decided to yank ron paul's chain. because the conversation was about the war on drugs. downey called ron paul "the man who could be snorting cocaine in the oval office." and that was just the opening. let's join the program in progress. viewer discretion is advised. >> you're giving libertarians a distorted explanation. >> no, sir. you people gave it to yourself in your platform. >> no, let me explain that. the answer is that we are allowed to do what we want. we even permit people to smoke cigarettes. that happens to be the most deadly drug in the united states. kills 320,000 people -- >> i appreciate it. i wish you'd ban it. if you would, sir, i'd put it out in your eye right now. >> i wish you would ban my cigarette so i could put it out in your eye right now. that was kind of the mort okay downey jr. shtick. in the early 1990s mr. downey became a board member and spokesman for something called the national sm

lois, three of us, mark, action,w ron paul in and who were his biggest fans? young people. >> no question. years, thest 12 republican edge on foreign muscular,this let's go around the world, it has receded, and it is a political liability a lot more than it was 12 years ago. after iraq and afghanistan, there is far less appetite for interventionist america. >> last word. see you next week.

neil: bill gates, all for foreign aid, and ron paul all out on spol b stopping foreign . congressman thank you for joining us. even outweighing abuse and waste that comes with, that what do you say? >> well, i say instead of what? if you cut out war mongering and cut some of deficit down, and gave some away with humanitarian reasons i'm not going to fight it, even though i do not have confidence in that, i think foreign aid too often gets in the hands of the ipo will -- hands of the ipo will tigs and thepoliticians.we never talk any comes from. you know you take a bill gates, he has a lot of money in his foundation but he does not get taxed on that. poor people get taxed whether inflation tax or income tax or whatever. and so they end up paying, my argument for foreign aid you take money from poor people here and it ends up in pockets of rich people in poor country. neil: he is getting beyond that, i am paraphrasing, for all waste abuse and sometimes getting into wrong hand, and sometimes no hand we still have since foreign aid started here, fewer starving people, more ed

i feel like i'm totally on ron paul's side tore what he is doing. i think what he is doing here is the thing about the debate itself. i can't decide i agree with him completely with transparenty. but on the issue of whether the government should be able to use the drone is muddier. the police, the military are able to use that debate if they wish to. what is the difference really other than drones sound scarier about the ability to use a drone. the government has the power to kill us under certain circumstances. the questions he is asking is the case of an al qaeda sympathizer where the government says they have the right to take out in pakistan. i think that is one of the questions he is trying to get some clarity. >> if it is okay to assassinate americans ip pakistan. what is the difference? >> i think what the shocking moment, if there was an american citizen sitting at a cafe could they get a drone to sit at a cafe? >> i don't think that would be appropriate. >> i don't care what your politics are. paul has interesting views that i don't agree w

should not of went to war patrick there were voices in the public and parties in the same thing at ron paul out there loudly saying we should this is not a war that we should be going to you know i i'm not a foreign policy expert you know in my organization freedom works tends to focus a little bit on economic policy so there's a lot that can be said about the legacy of the iraq war there could be a lot of pros a lot of cons and i certainly see an extent of both sides but if you if you look at sort of the lasting legacy it's left with the american government i mean this is what happens when government gets out of control and this is what happens when you have when you have a legislature that is willing to cede all sorts of power to the executive branch to do object pretty much whatever they want and you know when you look at iraq we call it the iraq war but congress hasn't declared war since world war two so i think as a country really how do we prevent this from ever happening well i think we need to start hearing to the constitution a little bit better i think the constitution clearly pro

the republican presidential primary states in the last cycle by people 30 and under were cast for ron paul. [applause] the party establishment said, "let's not get too close to these people. we do not really want them." party establishments tend to want voters. they just do not want them in their clubs. they do not want them participating in decision making. this year, rand paul becomes a hero to grass-roots republicans across the country, and an aging former presidential candidate of the old establishment tells the press, "we don't want people like him because he appeals to young people." let me tell you something -- political movements and political parties have two choices in this world -- they grow or they die. they bring people in, or they drive people out. [applause] our movement,f from the very beginning, has been that it has been a movement based upon ideals and principles, and from the beginning -- from the very beginning -- we have attracted who was drawn to the banner we represent. if we ever stop doing that, we do not deserve to grow. we will not deserve as a political movement

young people are rallying, mainly because of an affection for his father, ron paul.re will be no doubt that he will be the clear winner of the straw poll. i will agree with you and your assessment. i am saying, this is america. 2016 is still a ways away. neil: his father did very well. of course, that did not necessarily propel a presidential nomination. but it gets early attention. what is more striking, i guess, and the son's case, he is doing it morning to the very folks he is talking to. essentially, you know, taking to pass it cpac itself for limiting ten minutes saking time, taking the powers that be within the republican establishment including, you could argue, john mccain and by extension paul ryan by trying to one of his deficit-cutting plan. is that a dangerous strategy? >> well, i don't think it is a dangerous strategy. obviously it's a straty. senator mccain and senator gramm probably could have done a little bit better. the optics for bad, what they did after his filibuster speech because while he was standing on the senate floor for 13 hours talking ab

his father, ron paul, ran three times, once as a liberty tear yap, twice as a republican.l, who is no longer a member of congress, left a good presidential potential organization and campaign out there for his son there will be a straw poll at the end of the cpac, which is annual, and rand paul is expected to win it going away, in part because of the remnants of his father's organization. the softball means very little but what does mean something is the size of the crowd. this is big for cpac. the conference usually has one big crowd every four years, the one during an election year. this one comes after the last election year because republicans and conservatives are keenly paying attention to where the party goes and how they win back the white house three and a half years from now. that's the story. >> carl cameron, thanks very much. michigan's republican governor just made a big move to help detroit get out of its serious financial mess. the motor city's debt problem so severe that bren streetlights in disrepair, leaving entire blocks in the dark. the executive fire c

you see a lot of them, rand paul supporters, a youth supporters of ron paul and some of the candidates pitching the message. rand paul talked about the facebook generation and you have to pitch a message to them. a issues of decriminalization of marijuana and not bailing out banks. there is lot of pitching to the youth bringing in new demographics to the republican party. >> jamie: all issues important to the younger generation. jamie, great to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> kelly: they are targeting people around the congress for spring break. that is not for the students of howard university. they are rolling up their sleeves to respond to call for help in from troubled communities. it's a selfless act beyond a dream. >> 400 howard university students are by choice loading up on buses for alternative spring break. they will be spending time serving people in need. they are reaching out to children in areas that are under constant duress, crime, poverty, gangs and gun violence. each student chooses to get involved out of a sense of purpose honoring the motto of howard univers

>> well, first of all, i don't think he is ron paul. a bit for breitbart and this is how it is, and rand paul is on record and said he won't take military intervention off the table when it comes to stopping iran from acquiring anew because that's not certainly the same thing that he believed. and we brought up the spector of ronald reagan and he had three legs to that republican stool back then, the christian he coalition, you have the defense hawks, but you also have the small government libertarians and ronald reagan didn't preach small government because we can't afford it, but big government into the lives of american people is against the founding document. the republicans lost the argument against big government because suddenly we could afford it and look where we are now. >> megyn: it doesn't seem that rand paul is on different footing when it comes to small government. he's on different footing when it comes to foreign affairs and our military intervention. >> well, both of those positions are rooted in a constitutional argume

i said that ron paul -- well, not ron paul, his son rand, is a hero on civil liberties.e's also a villain on civil rights for not supporting dr. king's strategy to bring in the federal government for discrimination. so let us have a real debate and not have it just break down on party lines on every single issue. >> shorter answer, because i want to get to this next thing and we're rung out of time. let's talk about what some people are calling the president's charm offensive. he hasn't exactly been a back slapper since taking office, negotiating with republicans. now he is taking them to dinner, calling them on the phone, more meetings are on the way. this week, van, he is -- is he afraid that his second term agenda is in trouble if he doesn't start cutting some deals? >> well, i think, first of all, there's a big myth out there that he never reached out, he never tried. he's put over and over again on the table very good compromises. they've even been to websites. the republicans have just ignored it. i think the only thing that's left now is to sit down and buy them a

get to select one of the following three stories, number one, a video that was shot decades ago of ron paul defending the second amendment and choose that for the final segment. number two, what well-known left wing hollywood actor unloaded on the democrats during the paul filibuster and number three, decide this, the man who taught our president at harvard is now eulogizing venezuela's fallen dictator, we have the audio. it's viewers choice night. head over to hannity live spo live.foxnews.com. and more with bill richardson ahead. take theseags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjors small busiss earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses deserve limited reward here's your wake up call. [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. choose double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase every day. what's in your wallet? [ crows ] now where's the snooze button? then i read an article about a study that looked at the long term

>> i think that's real, but i think that wing has always been there, but it was the ron paul wing. and the problem with the wing, ron paul for all of his sincerity, shall we say, somewhat eccentric on his issues. rand paul is polished, sophisticated he doesn't obsess about the gold standard of the fed and they talks about things that appeal to the young. it's interesting, he's a libertarian so on social issues he deviates wildly from where the republicans have been the last 30 years, since reagan, so i think it does play to the young, but i don't know how it plays to the rest of the party, but even more radically, he is a semi isolationist. he talks about the filibuster was ostensibly about shooting a missile through a kitchen of a guy in topeka, but it was really about the whole war on terror abroad and how we ought to be conducting and if we are to be conducting it. and he speaks for a very significant wing. party, of the country that is war weary and wants to withdraw. and that again is very much against the reagan tradition and against the mainstream of the party. so, i think i

people get all hyped-up because ron paul is going to protect the american people. it all depends on you ask. what a waste of time. if paul tells me anything, i don't believe a word of it. thanks a lot. host: and this is jon in louisville, your h -- you are on. caller: i don't care for the use of drones. it is kind of draconian, spying on us. i applaud paul. i voted for him years ago. people may not agree with the filibuster, but people need to wake up to this administration's views and how they are taking away our civil liberties everyday. host: have you had a chance to watch local news in kentucky, or c the courier-journal? caller: i woke up about an hour ago. so the morning shows just went over it quickly, saying that it was 13 hours long, the filibuster. they did not go that far into it. it did not involve any monetary value, so i guess most people don't care for it. host: thanks for calling. the front page of the washington post -- chris in greenville, tennessee, on our independent line. caller: yes, sir, peter. how are you? host: good. caller: c-span is a great

. >> it started with senator ron paul challenging the president's nominee for cia director -- senator rand paul challenging the president's nominee for cia director over the policy on drone attacks. the senate approved john brennan 63-34, but not before a rand filibuster c. what was the point? what was the up to here? >> i think he personally believed that the united states , andd to be accountable o when he started this, people thought, oh, rand paul is at it, he will hold up the nomination. as he moved forward, people started listening and saying, you know, the guy is right, why can't the administration was said with a policy is? >> he had requested -- >> he got the answer finally. >> in writing from eric holder. >> the republicans, aside from mccain and lindsey graham, really rallied behind him on this. >> some republicans were scared. they like authority, normally, and there is great hypocrisy on both sides of the aisle. pat leahy gets a lot of credit for voting against john brennan on the grounds that he had been asking the office of legal counsel an opinion from the justice depa

elimination of caucuses would mean nuclear war with the grass roots social conservatives and the ron paulement. nbc editor mark murray is here with the morning's first read. good morning to you. stern words there obviously from the adviser to rand paul and the paul campaign. what's going on within the gop? they had this autopsy and the establish movement by the rnc trying to modernize the party and saying we will move on immigration and not be the party of old white men. in order to do that, they could have changes that could change the way we look at the primary. they want to get rid of caucuses and take that power away from the grass roots. >> two big areas of push back. 1 that you hit upon and reducing the debates and influence that caucuses have. it ends up hurting folks like rand paul and the people who might be eying a 2016 presidential bid. i need the debates and the caucuses to be able to have that kind of candidates. the other part that we have been getting is the rnc's endorsement of immigration reform. they are now basically saying we support what president obama is trying to d

reluctance a caution that hasn't been there in the past about foreign intervention. >> woodruff: ron paul has struck a chord. >> he has at the moment. this is american leadership in the role believes america has an important role to play as a world leader including global order, free trade, free water ways, free commerce. that happens because of u.s. military. the idea of the party is not going to be that party. it happen. in the 19 20's the party shifted. for them to go back i have to sate. right now the move from the president of the other party, move intervention, move os tear taught, war exhaustion. when there's a threat from iran i still believe the republican party is a defense party and interveneionist party. he is leading the party one way, marco rubio is leading another. as we hit sheer has not hour and-a-half jeb bush will give a speech which is the -- meaning -- he's reformist in one way. let's pull back. marco rubio said something to me phenomenally stupid we don't need new ideas. that's never a good thing to say but nonetheless he's more mainstream than moderate. jeb bush is

the thought inside that campaign was ron paul's race was as much about ron paul as well as rand paul. many of the followers thought rand paul was much more articulate and more pragmatic a choice in terms of running for president. he has softened i think some of his father's views around foreign policy, but on this drone issue, obviously, he was able to make a lot of noise and push this to the forefront of the conversation, certainly a lot of buzz on twitter. i think he did his future presidential prospects some good. >> great to talk to both of you. thanks. >>> thank you. >>> today finally we expect to have the start of the conclave. cardinals say they will vote in the afternoon session. the spokesperson today said conventionally wisdom is the conclave to elect a new pope won't go on too long. >> once they have done their work in these general congregations, had a lot of chance to talk outside as well, even when some afternoons they immediate, some they haven't, they do have the informal time. they can start shaping things up there. at that point when they get into the sistine, it's r

smith style talking filibuster, ron paul at 7:55 a.m., talking about drones, that is still going on inhe senate. i believe that is baroso, and if i identified him right, i deserve a medal. i have to bring you another story tomorrow, which is my bad. >>> having just watched his show, i can tell you he's just as ignorant tonight as last night when talking about spending cuts. however, republicans are just as ignorant as bill owe -- owe -- oreilly. >> this is bull crap. it's jack what you're saying. >> we have two parties fire reason. just do what you're supposed to do. >> president obama goes on a charm offensive. >> going around public leadership. >> to hammer out a long-term budget deal. >> i wish he had done more of that over the years. >> where this goes, i don't know. >> is a grand bargain insight again. >> he's willing to work with republicans or is it a caucus of common sense in the next days and weeks? >> he's got lindsey grahams digits. >> the president asked that i get together a group. >> 11 public senators. >> i was honored. >> you know lindsey graham is ready. >> in the comi

rand paul in iowa, it would seem the chairman of the iowa republican party is a ron paul guy. it would seem as though rand paul is moving quickly in iowa to say, this is going to be my state. >> well, right. there is that, a lot of that machinery his father put in place. he finished third in iowa. a little disappointing third place for his father, ron paul. >> right. >> but there is that situation. of course, chris, we saw more than a thousand days ago before voting could take place in iowa. a very long time ago some people who aren't making moves right now could be the people we're watching come 2015 and 2016. >> let's talk about one person on the democratic side who isn't really making public moves but hillary clinton, who is the big force in this race if she decides to run, comes out and says, you know what? now i'm for same sex marriage. releases a video on the human rights campaign website, a five-minute video. very clinically explaining where she is on this issue. is that a must if she wanted to run for president to be on that side of the issue? >> it's not only a must. i

look at this clip from the presidential debate back in 2008 where ron paul, that's the father, long aone voice of opposing intervention in iraq, tangles with presidential candidate rudy giuliani and basically shouts him out of the room. let's watch how things have changed here. >> there's a strong tradition of being anti-war in the republican party. it is the constitutional position. it is the advice of the founders to follow a noninterventionist foreign policy. >> congressman, you don't think that changed with the 9/11 attacks, sir? >> what changed? >> the noninterventionist policies. >> no. nonintervention was a major contributing factor. have you ever read about the reasons they attacked us? they attacked us because we've been over there. >> are you suggesting we invited the 9/11 attack, sir? >> i'm suggesting that we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it. they have already now since that time have killed 3,400 of our men. i don't think it was necessary. >> comment on that? >> that's really an extraordinary statement. that's an extraordinary statement. as

you actually went and met with a bunch of people in congress talk about well first went to thank ron paul of rand paul because we thought it was important to do that but then we thought you know why is it that these conservative of tea party favorite candidate said and senators are the ones who are setting the example in being the heroes of exposing this drone program where are these liberal senators so we went to the offices of elizabeth warren and actually met with her we went to the office of tammy baldwin and met with her we met with ron wyden who's actually been quite good in this from oregon we went to the offices of carl levin and say where are you you're supposed to be the head of the armed services committee and you're letting the cia have this rogue drone program that just is killing all kinds of people overseas giving such a bad name to the u.s. causing so much blowback and why are you speaking out against right and that's i think what was really shocking is how is this a partisan issue this should not be a partisan issue our civil liberties our constitution the fact that killi