but in the process you're avoiding paying tens of billions of dollars to uncle samment that's what i'm after so these kind of gimmicks, these tax avoidance schemes which are put together here do not, they ought to be closed and they ought to be stopped even if we had no deficits. >> so if, in fact, is there the political will to do that before i consider the question of doing that in exchange for some entitlement cuts and the like, the political will to eliminate these kinds of tax avoidance schemes? >> yeah, as a matter of fact, i believe there is. and this is a worldwide problem. other governments are now facing the same problem. we have trillions of dollars worldwide which are lost to these tax avoidance schemes. people who are trying to avoid paying taxes who find the tax havens are able to shift their assets or in the case of corporations, their revenues to these offshore tax havens. we have recently there was a study made of 30 of the largest corporations in america whose revenues and whose profits, excuse me whose profits are over 100 billion dollars together who paid nothing in