aresty, regardless or they paying a fine toward legal status? toin my statement, i prefer it as legal status, i did not use the word amnesty. but if you're going to put me to it, i guess i would say i do believe that once you allow that person to stay in the united states after they have come here in the violation of the law, i would believe that most americans would think that would be an amnesty. thank you. >> your organization has a lots of big grassroots presence around the country. -- mr. norquist. i suppose into have taken a public role here on this that you have heard from them. what are you hearing? >> people understand the system we have is roped in. -- is broken. you have the number of high tech programs we need to. we don't have a guest worker program 92. border. we need to have protection to know who is in the country and people understand that if people have to go through paying fines, back taxes, that is not amnesty or not nothing. a lots of money. some people may be so rich they think a couple thousand dollars is nothing, but it i