joining us, documentary film maker, daniel gordon.iel, it's so fascinating to see these huge public events, these collective events, these propaganda. for the outsider looking at it, it looks like this incredible spectacle but -- and as propaganda, but i guess for the people who have grown up there, daniel, this is really all they've known. this seems normal to them. >> that's exactly the right word. it's totally normal. and really, what i found when i was there was that it's not just normal. all the mass games are entirely for internal consumption. they're not there to impress us as westerners or outsiders. they're entirely there to impress on the population. as propaganda. they use the word propaganda themselves, what it is to be a team, what it is to unite behind the leader. it's all purely for internal consumption. >> i want to play another clip from your documentary "state of mind" that kind of gets to that point. let's take a look. ♪ >> up to 80,000 gymnasts are used in the floor display. the participants know that the slightest