and the guys that were there, at the time could not be here, and -- [applause] >> richard gephardt. and 16. [applause] >> and that the 0 regional level. >> a couple minutes to talk about the sensitive things, and have to remember that there were three investigations, and those investigations are done by different agencies. and pretty angry about that but i have softened my position because for instance o ig, the office of the inspector general, those are special agents, when they interview you, they -- the sole purpose of figuring out whether everybody associated with that fire did anything bad. and if they found that we did, and hold it criminally liable. we don't have a choice. we did that. but he essentially these folks did anything similar, that is what we wanted to hear. osha -- are to talk about it, and industrial investigation, industrial safety, tried very hard to do some homework, and they had their reasons. and on the web. and they are able to fight the fire if they had taken a recommendation so fee-for-service, protested that. effect will report which many people think th