timothy timothy mcveigh type of terrorist. >> that's right. the same recipe is in the anarchist's manual so it could be a radical domestic inspired event. >> timothy mcveigh responsible for the oklahoma city bombing of the federal office building, murrah federal office building back in 1995. deb feyerick you are on the scene in boston. you're speaking with law enforcement, local, state, federal law enforcement types. any sense of sort of a general description of where this investigation stands right now, infancy, middle, advanced, anything along those lines? >> earlier in the week we were told forensic teams were expected to wrap up toward the end of the week. there's been no update on that. we're not clear whether in fact they have gotten all the evidence they need from various locations. the one by the tree where one device went off and also by the finish line where another device went off. they've been canvasing the area now and we're told that there were other people. through the last couple days we've seen a number of photographs of people who investigators are interested in speaking with. it'll be very, very interesting if the photographs th

timothy mcveigh and terry nichols were convicted for their roles and that bombing. timothy mcveigh it was executed in june of 2011. the september 11 attacks, the oklahoma city bombing was the most destructive act of terrorism ever carried out on american soil. in permanent memorial at the site honors the victim. in 1999, april 20, 12 students were murdered, and a teacher, inside columbine high school in colorado. 24 other people were also hurt. senior and, 2007, a virginia tech shot and killed 32 people and wounded 17 others in blacksburg's virginia. he was later found dead from an apparent self-inflicted -- self- inflicted gunshot wound to the head. >> we'll be following all of the overnight developmts beginning at 5:00. not flower well anchor live from boston -- not flower -- matt lauer will anchor live from boston. arrested johnson was in baltimore late this afternoon. >> johnny johnson has a lengthy criminal record that includes jobs, robbery. investigators say he was on drugs when he crossed in front of city hall and killed matthew hersl. ande are deeply soorowed hurti

>> bob: when timothy mcveigh attacked the united states. >> eric: done with timothy mcveigh. >> bob: you go back. >> eric: 18 years ago, bob. let's go back to this guy mr. falk. >> kimberly: u.n. most anti-american agencies out there. and you contribute heavily, yes. billions of dollars to give money over to this individual who is one of the people u.n. official. gets paid through them. no, but where he works is partly funded by the u.n. sorry. there are ten particular calls there and they should be exposed. and everybody is not afraid to accept, hold on. no one is afraid to accept the u.s. money, especially in their time of need. how many countries the first country to jump in for humanitarian efforts, et cetera. >> yet, everybody tries to despise us that's the problem. we have been too late as of late. >> andrea: planning bombing a bunch of muslim countries jumped up an said by the way there should be a justified excuse for terrorism even though there is no definition for one. >> kimberly: like self-defense. >> kimberly: legitimate struggle. legitimately struggling then it's okay.

it becomes the -- >> we call timothy mcveigh a terrorist, don't we? >> we call timothyist, but we do not deal with white men in america the way we've dealt with muslims post-9/11. there is a difference in how we relate to the perpetrator, depending on who they are and where they are from. that matters because it speaks to what i describe as our intimate and contradictory relationship with violence and once you put the "t" word in, once terrorism is defined, i don't think it's just who the individual is, if they are a foreign national -- >> or a group of individuals. >> -- or a group of individuals, it's the way which that person then initially directly connects to our policy. >> do you think that's right with respect to law enforcement, do you think the division between the timothy mcveigh's of the world and muhammads of the world? >> i think that it doesn't really. i mean, i believe -- this is from my experience, you cannot and should not get tunnel vision looking for a specific, you know, because somebody has a particular faith, they pray five times a day, therefore,

timothy mcveigh to be executed should be used against tsarnaev. let's explore any possible comparisons between mcveigh's legal plight and what this young man may face. timothyorney joins me live from houston and then larry mackey. he is the man who prosecuted timothy mcveigh and co-conspirator terry nichols. he joins me live from indianapolis tonight. do you see any possible similarities in the mcveigh case and tsarnaev might face? >> i certainly do. i think it's very likely that federal prosecutors in boston will use the same statute, and that is one that prohibits the use of a weapon of mass destruction. that statute has application here, and as i said, i'd be surprise federal they don't bring that same charge. >> chris, mcveigh was days away from his 27th birthday when the oklahoma city bombing happened, and dzhokhar tsarnaev is 19 years old. would his youth be a factor in a potential federal case against him? >> well, youth will be a mitigating factor at sentencing, i think, should he be convicted of this, but as the guilt/incense stage of the trial, i don't know that youth is going to have a lot to do with it. i don't think that a jury is going to care

people come on they want to use examples, the knights, timothy mcveigh, all those things that happen that we did something about right away. take timothycveigh. and he blew up that place, what did we do? we said, you cannot get that much fertilizer anywhere without the government knowing about it. the same thing with ford -- pharmaceuticals. they went out and made sure that you could not get that stuff no more. here you look at the news and every day, every day, people are dying, children are dying. here in chattanooga, we had a 15-year-old take a gun and shoot a 17-year-old in the head. you want to say gun control. how did that happen? who controlled it? no control over guns whatsoever in this country. host: let's look at a comment from dave on twitter -- roger, des moines, an independent caller. welcome, roger. caller: how are you today? host: good how are you? caller: good. seeing a couple of comments on inr program, the gun buyer connecticut had 500 violations and did not get caught until after the shooting. why wasn't it closed before? ,umber two, fast and furious federal employees broke every local, state, federal, and internatio

. >> i am reminded of the oklahoma bombing with timothy mcveigh, not taking anything away from law enforcement authorities but they didn't track timothy mcveigh and find him. he got stopped on a routine traffic stop which was a lucky break. here, too, the f.b.i. had not tracked these guys down where they lived and gone in and found them. it was their actions that brought the attention of police. so i guess that maybe that often happens in investigations like this. >> this morning, you know, 12:45, this started bubbling up on the internet, the cable networks weren't on air. they broke into the re-runs. i was watching television at 1:15 this morning and started going on air. at that point, nobody knew. are these related, not related the there was probably a few hours when no one was sure. they said, there was a police officer killed. is this response because an officer kilted often draws a big please response. it became clear as the f.b.i. showed up and there was way more responses that that was what was going on. >> bill: once they started throwing explosives outed of the car and once they got to watertown and they were returning fire,

timothy mcveigh in the oklahoma city bombing. >> yes. >> so the last really major american terrorist who was tried in an american court and convicted, timothy mcveigh, got the death penalty. so it's very rarely given in the united states. even by the feds. >> final word, mike, you would say -- >> the federal government can clearly pursue the death penalty. they pursued the death penalty in massachusetts when i was serving as united states attorney. they secured a death penalty sentence. so they can, and they should be pursuing the death penalty against him. >> mike, jeff, paul. appreciate you taking the time. we're live here in watertown tonight. yes, it has calmed down. there are a couple of people here who are just blocks away from what happened today who were searched, who were with the police. they're going to tell you what happened in those crucial hours before suspect number two was taken into custody. we'll take a brief break and be back live. combwith state farm,to saved 760 bucks. love this guy. okay, does it bother anybody else that the mime is talking? frrreeeeaky! [ male announcer ] bundle home and auto, and you could save 760 b

timothy mcveigh in citizen now is a u.s. and he should be treated the same as we treated timothy mcveigh. that's my insert. host: thanks for calling. to new york on the republican line. good morning, jane. caller: good morning. he should be charged as an enemy combatant because of his islamic beliefs and because of his as an islamist it. i believe he was trained there. they came into this country to do what they did. host: do you agree that he should eventually be tried in civilian court? the statement the senators made on the weekend if they can use enemy combatant status for intelligence gathering before turning him over to the civil justice system. do you think that he should eventually be tried in the civilian sysorliry tribunal? ller: civilian. they can handle it. yes. host: you are confident the civilian system can handle this case? at what point do you think the suspect should be turned over to a military tribunal? caller: i think they should go and close that down. host: some history on the subject of enemy combatant status. this from the new york times this morning -- we are taking your thoughts on

timothy mcveigh. steven, it's nigh to see you again. it's been a while. thank you, alex. >>> before we get to boston, how did you end up being timothy mcveigh's lawyer?our viewers about that. >> i was appointed by the federal court in oklahoma city. susan notto, the public defender, recused herself, because her office had been heavily damaged. the federal judges asked me if i would do it, and i took it that i should. that was my responsibility, so i became his lawyer. >> in fact, you had to protect yourself, didn't you, your family as well? this certainly wasn't a popular -- >> it wasn't popular in oklahoma and elsewhere. the judges provided security for me and my family, so we were able to do our job without interference or problem. >> there's got to be a toll, though, stephen, that comes to being in the spotlight with defending those who are accused of terrorist acts. talk about that. >> well, i -- i think that's right. i would say probably the greatest thing i noticed was i put my emotional life on hold for 2 1/2 years, the carnage was so agreed, the pressure and scrutiny so intense, that it really was difficult to do anything else, but just to fo