i'm not sure that the threat is entirely ideologia. i think you're right about that. nick. i think that the pressure for vocationalism poses a very serious threat and it's also the case at least some of those who are pushing a vocational agenda for higher education are doing so on the basis of the perception that higher education leans very far to the left and this is a great opportunity to make sure that they get their comeuppance and replace the research university with liberal leanings with something quite different. i will say that there is more divergence here among conservatives than might be imagined there are interesting threads of conversation happening now between traditionalists conservatives and libertarian with the traditionalists saying, we're not comfortable with this new emphasis on vocationalism because it squeezes out the teaching of the western tradition, traditional liberal arts education, and would say they want to resist those urges so see what happens in the coming years but during periods of institutional crisis, many different possibilities rise to