instead, he thought let me just put the design on shapeways and sell it that way. so he's actually not printing it, but he's designing it and other people are paying for the printing. >> you know, that business model is brilliant. i think shapeways and other companies like i materialize, pinoco, a new zealand company, and others will develop. who maybes, maybe amazon or some other company will get into this as well. and then you have professional grade industrial machines with professionals in the background producing these for you, so you supply the designs, you can be a shop owner, and they take care of the rest. >> yeah. so how -- in your mind, how are things going to progress in the future? we are at the very beginning of this right now. is this going to take over manufacturing? >> for certain types of products and parts, yes, it will display some of the old way of doing thing. but if you're manufacturing stadium seats or trash cans, those will be done the old fashioned way for a very long time. >> for entrepreneurs, it's such a neat way to prototype and depend