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bases, there are new questions about the program publicly desibed by fbi director robert muller which alws for the collection of the milk from a u.s. citizen on u.s. soil in real time. the shooting in 2009, the fbi director testified that e-mail exchanges like those between alleged shooter in fort hood nd unknown terrorists overseas were t gng to slip through the crks again. what can you tell usbout new procedures that are in place that will head off another fort hood in the future? >> put into place technological improvents relating to the capabilities of the database to uphold and pull together past e-mails anduture ones as they come in so that it does not require an individualized search >> as to the database bein part ofoureparate fm the n prison program whichollect -- collects foreign internet communications, that nsa referred to the fbi where there was immediate comment. meanwhile the british government is warning airlines around the world to keep edward snowden out of their cntry. the travel the says any airli that brings him into the u.k. will be fined $30,100. lou: thank you so mu

happens when stuff like this gets out, the form assistant seccetary of defense is that once it is out we alws have anoer wy to move around. wayne simmons is with us. he has a hard handshake and he crh you wi that. [applause] >> let's get to it. onceethis gets released, any smart bad guys going to fid a way around this, right? >> absolutely. not only a way around it, but in the past were either criminal organizations were terrorists found out, sometimes they find a way to track our communities but dismantled organization with what they believed to what we know about. t only dowe have to find them again, but we have to figure out who to find and what networks and groups to find again. lou: y aresaying tt he was a hero. but no, he is not. how do you feel? >> i am confident that my position has only been strengthened since we ound out that he's being debriefed by the inlligence apparatus. this iabsolutely spot on when she says that it's very damann because what is out there in the united states or around the world, the first thing tha they do are using human cabilities which are messages being us

. >> we are up here it -- a party of freedom and alws believe what reaga said peace throh strength ould be a hallmark of this country. llu: the operative wor >> establishing freedom around the world is something of a cornerstone of this country. u: are you saying to me we have just taken on the responsibility of freedom? >> of course not. but i do think as president of the united states, you have to exhibit strength it is yes and sometime but playing both sides of the fence and coming out in favor of some support after a er president criticizes, shows exactly where this president is at. >> the last time charlie rose versed his position. >> he is devolving on ns now he tries to bring bush. lou: talk aboumarco rubio. >> you are on fire tonight. lou: here he is. the world wates over me. [laughter] to talk about how great the bill is then personally saying the border security is too light and it will not work and drove not pass. >> i think he is being coistent. lou: i cannot wait to hear th. [laughter] >> b the fact is if you don't get the border security piece rates, it is a tru. free hado

as alws pretty cheap fare, but if you're going coast-to-coast and the magic date is about august the when prices go from $500 round trip down the 350. gerri: i like tt adve. thank you for coming on. good to see. well, time for a look stories you're cookingonight on foxbusiness.com. wall street continues to run sced with stocks down 140 points aer falli as much as 248 points throughout the session. today's drop follows a 4% last week following the fed announcement that tickets in start wrapping up stimulus offers. worries about ina's grow by leading to market volatility. european commission is approving the internet continental exchange proposing a $8 billion takeover. it says that the two are not direct cpetitors and will continue to face strong competition. the combined index would be the third lgestxchange group globally. as we come back. the company went bankrupt after a fight with unionized workers. back up and running under new owners and says its an to have twines and others next back on shelves starting july 15th. andhe supreme court has made it moreifficult for americans to s

people alws liked the tax collector going back to ancient times. here you're supposedly smart saying it's time tge rid of the eire internal revenu service. really? even the smallest of small businesses haveo have somebody recording account for the mone coming in. you've hard some of the scandal from this is the perfect opportunity for massive tax overhaul. how does the problems of one subsection of the internal revenue code equal revising all of the sections, thousands? i get it. you're mad and you don't like the tax cut. yes, we shoull simply by answering the irs down to a much smaller government agency, but let's beealistic. let's start with just fixing the section that seems to be open for questions. start more clearly define what it is if you really want to me the irs prick up, aggressively prosecute the individuals who did the targeting since some people to jail. that wl get their attention for what. dennis: thanks. be se to watch theom sulliv sw ts weekend. you can get to that seven and 10:00 p.m. onaturday, sunday at 70 a.m. and 7:00 p.m. ea

the alignment as youay of interest anthe convenience, the tradeoff that is not always conscious, not alwsconservatives. >> right. this is what we need to understand. thuestion is what's being done and how effective is it? we are the taxpayers. we are the ones whoayor this, who make that tradeoff. so we need to be told how effective these programs are. there's been a lot of wheezeling. they might have been effected in some things. examples given have turned out to be false. we don't know whether these programs do any good. we don't know how much they cost, is this a good use of our money? they're very unlikely to be effectiv this is y secrecy is bad. need to know what the government is doing, understand what there doing. if they're doing a good job, great. if they're doin a lousy job we need to fix it. this is what snowden did that was so good. he gave us infortion about what the government is doing in our name with our money. let's find out if is effective. we have never seen a case that's effective or cost effective. >> why aren't people challenging the business models in the aggrate a h

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