bill abbott finds it in caffeine. >> taster's choice. i'm a coffee drinker. as i have five or six shots of coffee a day, i'm usually pretty good. that's my choice of drug. i don't know what i'd do if i didn't have coffee. that's what gets me to drawing. this is pretty much what i do all day long. i draw a lot on cards and sell them, draw anything that maybe somebody specifically might want, a portrait of somebody in their family, they buy all the material and i do it. i get paid that way. i had to put my name on the wall. looks a little bit more presentable. >> abbott also uses his art to connect with his mother. >> makes her day when i send her like a "thinking of you" card. she has all kinds of pictures that i've done for her, jesus pictures, pictures of jesus, all kinds of religious pictures i like to do. >> she's religious? >> yeah, christian. >> as though his devil horn tattoos aren't ironic enough for a christian-themed artist, abbott is also serving 40 years for stealing from and burning down a historic catholic church in his hometown. and while he cla

bill fox, he's the owner of fox dealerships and a member of the auto dealers association board of directors. hal whitman, managing partner of the broward county real estate group, milton missrati with lord abbott and my good friend steve forbe, forbes media chairman and editor in chief will be co-hosting with me on set for the full hour. mr. fox, i'll go to you. have you seen any discernible slowdown yet because of the job in interest rates in you're in one of the hottest areas of this recovery. >> so far we have not seen a falloff in sales. sales have been robust and the economy is gaining moment up as we go on. however, we do think it's very fragile and we in the car business are subject to an interest rate increase. >> you're selling over 15 million at an annual rate nationwide. that's a pretty hefty number and it's a great jump over last year and the year before. can you hazard a guess for me. what interest rate level would it take for you to see a slowdown or a slump in these big car sales? >> well, i think it's gradual, and certainly the consumers in my area are more interest rate sensitive because our economy is more fragile. we haven't made the recovery post the great recession that ot