but the democratic argument against charlie dent is sure charlie dent is a good guy. but he is going to vote for john boehner for speaker, and they'll control the agenda. so if you get rid of charlie dent, there is a chance we can get a new speaker who won't be bringing things like these. so the republicans don't get it. they should listen to the few people left like charlie dent. >> you know, joan, when you look at the fact that as the governor just quoted charlie dent, this bill that has gone to the floor, they're trying to pull back the sponsor because of his outrageous statement. but they're still dealing with the bill and having congresswoman blackburn manage this bill on the floor. >> right. they've decided that they're going to put a woman's face on the bill. and congresswoman blackburn is no friend of women, reverend al. she recently really embarrassed herself by saying that equal pay is not an issue for most women. >> wait a minute, the lady congresswoman that is managing this bill. >> yes. >> they're debating it tomorrow, in fact. >> yes. >> she once said eq

let's take charlie dent, for example. charlie dent is a good guy. he's a good congressman. he's a moderate. he's one of the last of the breed. well, we'll make the argument -- i guess we'll make the argument -- some people might make sure we make this argument -- in 2014 charlie dent is a good guy but he's voting for john boehner for speaker and john boehner is the one that controls this legislation. if nancy pelosi was speaker, none of this stuff would get to the floor. a light will go on in the voters' heads saying, that's right, i like charlie but i got to get rid of him. >> if we're talking grand strategy here, jeffrey toobin points out the supreme court may hear an abortion case in its next term. if there is a danger here it is not just to the republican party's chances of become being the same party, but also to roe v. wade. this is part of after bigger strategy of sort of peeling back the layers of the decision one by one by one. >> that's right. again, katrina mentioned it, the threats are not only in congress. the threats are at the state level. oh oh legislature i

give us a sense about what is at stake here given a moderate republican in pennsylvania, charlie dent said in the "new york times," you and i spoke about this, i think it's a stupid idea to bring this up. what is at stake for the republicans in this effort? it's really a state's issue now in many cases more than national. >> two pressures the one hand, recognition after 2012 republican party did help itself by talking about issues. the other pressure this is what the base wants. when republicans had control of one branch of government controlled the house of representatives they want to have votes on this. that's what matters to constituents and base. they are caught in this interesting two cross currents and cross pressure. we're seeing a vote on that today because of that. >> not that anybody is keeping track but roughly 1239 days until decision 2016. >> claire mccaskill announces she supports hillary clinton. she's on board. this didn't take long. hillary clinton has barely been out of her position, secretary of state for five months. already we're talking about the run with real s

congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania told the new york times quote, i think it is a stupid idea toring this up. the economy is on everybody's mind. we are seeing staggering jobs numberes. confidence in the institution of government is eroding. why are republicans still going down this road right now, congresswoman? even though bewe both know that there this has in chance of ever passing. >> it is so interesting. people say, maybe the senate should dictate everything that gets done in washington, d.c. if we did that, the senate, my goodness, we couldn't get them to ps pass a budget for five years. this is something that american people have said, you need to do something about this. women have said, you need to do something about late term abortions. there's a tremendous amount of public support for taking an action, for putting a ban on late term abortions. >> congresswoman, is this purely pandering? >> no, it is not pandering at all. it is saving the life of women and of babies pandering? absolutely not. i can't believe you would say something like that. >> congresswoman -- >> my

even republican charlie dent of pennsylvania sees the political truth right here. quote, i think it's a stupid idea to bring this up. the economy is on everybody's mind. we're seeing stagnant job numbers. confidence in the government is eroding, and now we're going to have a debate on rape and abortion? this doesn't seem like the way for republicans to win back the middle politically. joining me is joan walsh and michael steele, his new book is the recovering politicians 12-step program to survive crisis. both by the way are great members of our team here. the debate on the bill, the pain capable unborn child protection act has been heated on the house floor. here are two congresswomen, debbie wasserman schultz on one side, michele bachmann on the other. let's catch the debate. >> this bill is extreme and an unprecedented reach into women's lives, into women's personal lives. this is a clear indication that the well-being of women in this country is not something republicans care to protect. >> this is a picture that was taken of an unborn baby yesterday. this is t

charlie dent of pennsylvania says this about today's debate.'m quoting him "i'll be very dprank, i'm discouraged our leadership from bringing this bill to a vote on the floor. clearly, the economy is on everyone's minds and now we're having a debate on rape and abortion. the stupidity is simply staggering." but dana, it's not, is it, because the stupidity is now the standard for the house gop. >> you know, i covered this when it was in the house judiciary committee last week. it was not the best image for the party then because it was 23 men no, women on the republican side of the house judiciary committee voting this through without any exception for rape or incest or the health, life of the mother. they tried to dress it up here. that's why you saw marsha blackburn. she's leading this instead of trent franks hog had his own unfortunate moment before the committee last week. so they've tried to dress it up and add exceptions to it. but ultimately, they know that this isn't going through the senate. they know that the president isn't going to b

in fact congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania told "the new york times," quote, i think it's a stupiddea to bring this up. the economy is on everybody's minds. we're seeing stagnant job numbers, confidence in the institution and government is eroding. joining me, samantha gordon. thank you for joining us. samantha, you heard kelly o'donnell say that you have republicans, conservatives who believe, yes, this may not go anywhere, meaning turning into law. but their message is being discussed and it is on the forefront and we are leading this show and many others have talked about it all day. >> you know, absolutely, tamron. back in 2012 the republicans know they have an anti-choice, anti-woman agenda and that's what we're seeing today. you know, they say they want to appeal to women but that's not what they're doing. they're saying they want to push a social agenda despite the way women and most americans feel. seven out of ten americans support roe versus wade. we've seen that this year. however, this eey refuse to wor jobs and the economy and push their personal agenda on the american

this is charlie dent who said this week in roll call, i'll be very frank.nging this to a vote on the floor. clearly the economy is on everyone's mind and very stagnant job numbers and now we're going to have a debait on rape and abortion. the stupidity is simply staggering. >> reproductive rights are an economic issue, among other things. i don't think you have to separate out. we're just going to have a social argument. the reason why women can participate in society because we have more control over our reproductive rights. i want to talk about this framing issue and i have seen an interesting thing happen in the pro-life movement when you make the debate not about having the doctor in the room with you, not about when does life begin, but having that woman make sher choice based and making it a human rights issue. i mean, you get a lot of people, sort of thinking about it differently and, also, i have to say, we have been talking about coalitions during this whole show. as long as the pro-life coalition is the coalition that had the other social issues t

his name is charlie dent. he is from pennsylvania.is the head of the tuesday group, which is a beleaguered group of moderate republicans. they do not have nearly the clout they want had -- once had. if there is someone you is leading that, that is your man. host: jonathan strong, a reporter for national review. before he went there, he covered house leadership for roll call. he was an investigative reporter for the daily caller. we talked about his use of wacko birds to describe his republican colleagues. here is one of those. guest: in the house the starter with the tea party wave. there were 87 new freshmen members. than normal.r they also had an animating spirit that was different from most. they came here and thought they were sent by voters to stop what was happening in washington. interesting republicans and democrats have a backlash. they came here and thought voters sent us two work together in both parties. they have been trying to do that. mike lee and rubio are all doing big things in the senate before you would expect them

his name is charlie dent and he's from pennsylvania and he is the head of the so-called tuesday group which is a beleaguered group of republicans. they don't have nearly the cloud that they once had in the republican conference. if there is somebody that's leading that charge in the party, that's your man. host: jonathan strong, reporter for "national review." before he went to "national review" he covered house leadership for "roll call" and was an investigative reporter for "the daily caller" and spen time reporting environmental regulations for e.p.a. while we talk about the use of john mccain whacko birds for some of his republicans, here is one of the websites and you can see the sort of reclaiming of this term. guest: it's very true. there's been a shift. part of it, you know, in the house it started with the tea party wave in 2010. there were 87 new freshmen members, and that's bigger than normal but they also had an animating spirit that was different than most, and they came here and they thought they were sent by voters to stop what was happening in washington. interestingly