so why does mcconnell now blame him for that as he were somehow a puppeteer sends the message doug schulman and lois lerner. and why would anybody intimidate the president? what evidence do you got? how about answering the question first. i know this is a heat-chasing show. i love heat but let's start with facts. do we have a fact of a connection? >> well, as mitch mcconnell said there's no evidence the president called over to the irs. >> let me go to the further quote. he talked about it being a coordinated campaign that led to this happening from the president. now what you saying here the president was involved in the irs mess or not? >> i think what mitch mccome is saying and let's back up on mitch. he has been a fierce advocate for the first amendment since the beginning of campaign finance reform and fought against the idea of cracking down on political parties and believes firmly in the idea we should have a political system that has a strong political party system. i do think that he believes and i tend to agree with him the president has done his best to demonize his opponents esp

like this one on the screen, unfortunately for him, we're lechining -- rr learning more about doug schulman who reportedly visited white house 1% times between -- 1157 times. the group on its web site reveals that it received mh of its funding from liberal groups such as ford fndation, streisand foundation, a coalition of labor unions, including afl, and cio, there circumstance peers t have been no problem with their tax exempt problem at this time. irs scandal. one of several engulfing obama administration, "nework times" reports that whispers around the oval office indicate that attorney general holder may have out lived his political usefness to president obama as justice department claims that their boss did not lie to congress on may 15, shannon breen with our report. >> reporter: eric holder's -estimony before congress w accurate and consisten accordin to a lette from principle general. this is response to an inquiriy from house judiciary committee leadersho believe this is a i did cress pansy between holder's may 15 testimony, and what ty later learned about his involvement in decisi

specifically, may 30 of last year, the incident told doug schulman that the terms tea party and patriot were used to identify groups and put them on a list. four days later, he told the general counsel at treasury the same information, but did not share that with the committee to ask with the investigation, the committee that has oversight over the investigation. is that typically how an investigation is supposed to work? >> you are talking of circumstances with which i am not familiar. i cannot comment on what was appropriate to your investigation. >> if i could, mr. chairman, i would stop. you have had a month to investigate. this has been the biggest story in the country and you cannot tell me who the lead investigator is. you cannot tell me the actions intestate it took, you cannot tell me -- actions be investigated to the and you cannot tell me of that was appropriate? >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the director will be allowed to answer the question. if you cannot answer it today, we would expect it to be answered in writing. >> i would be happy to, sir. >> the chair re

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specifically, may 30th of last year, the inspector general told doug schulman that the terms tea

specifically, may 30th of last year, the inspector general told doug schulman that the terms tea party, patriot, and 912 were used to put them on a list. they were told that was op the list a year ago. four days later, he told me, general counsel, treasury, the same information but didn't share that with the committee. they have oversight over the inspector generals and agents did not share that with us. is that how it should work? >> again, you're talking about circumstances with which i'm not familiar. each investigation is different. i can't comment on what was appropriate. the investigation without knowing and going through the facts. >> if i could, mr. chairman, and i'll stop. that's the point. you've had a month now to investigate. this is been thee biggest story in the country, and you can't tell me who the lead investigator is? you can't tell the actions the inspector general took which are not typically how investigations are done, you can't sigh if that's appropriate? it's not speculation. this is what happened. you can't say how many agents are assigned to the most important

for the purposes of preparing your report, did you speak to former commissioner doug schulman? >> i did not. >> did you speak to former acting commissioner steve miller? >> i did not. >> and did you talk with joseph grant, the former deputy commissioner for tege? >> no, i did not. >> did you talk with chief counsel william will -- wilkins? >> yes. >> what is a basic summary of the conversations. >> as a first matter -- there are three things. first, understand where the wrong-doing was so i can hold people combatable, second, understandy the management mistakes are so we can fix them. and third, broader understanding of irs risks and operations, and i spoke to many people within the irs, in fact my whole senior leadership team engaged in an ongoing series of discussions and bill wilkins is one of the senior leaders in the irs. >> did you talk to sarah hall ingram the former deputy commissioner. >> yes. >> as you prepared the report -- for the purposes of preparing the report, did you speak to her? >> i'm not sure how to answer that question. i spoke her as part of my overall un