i know you used to interview frank mccourt. >> yes, i did. >> and frank had all of that. he had that big brawling kmum enthusiasm for the world and at the same time you could always tell there was something behind there that recognizes history, that recognizes difficulty. and you know we're sort of together as a nation. it's good to be over here and to be irish, actually. >> i never missed interviewing an irishman or irish woman, for example i just had graham mcdowell, the great fwofler, fantastic golfer. i men and constantly we've had whether which side they are on it didn't mat tore me to talk about the conflict to. talk about people who tried to solve the conflict like george mitch whole say character here, like tony blair, like. >> like graham himself. >> all of these people, i mean, the fact of the mat certificate that for 800 years we had difficulties ire inn iver land. and it came about in late 1990s that everybody decided after 30 years of complete flare-up of the troubles that this was enough. but nobody knew how we would come together. and if took, well, preside