jeff moss was a hacker.he started defcon, one of the biggest conferences for hackers.i do not want anyone to think that he is playing a negative role. he serves on the advisory committee for the department of homeland security for these exact issues. i think on the proliferation of malware, this is an interesting place for government discussion. this is one of the areas where the chinese and russians, at least for malware focus on critical infrastructure and security centers, we do not want to see these things in hand of al qaeda or non-state actors. these are difficult conversations, but how can we bring this in? >> the nypd would say, we flipped it. >> in the blue shirt. >> thanks very much. peter evans with general electric. how did the task force grapple -- metricsetrics it? around that? how do you measure this and what is the goal for achieving our knowing that to have achieved any one of those points, even if they are independent or connected? >> that sounds like a question for you. >> jump in and maybe you could elaborate. i would say that one of the -- it is a

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