kori schake, you write the department of state employee roster has some the hundred foreign service officers coming 11,000 civil servants and 42,000 foreign nationals and in 2009 and those that took the written test competing for roughly 1,000 jobs. those selected have college degrees and the 11 years of prior work experience before coming to the foreign service. two-thirds of the people selected come in with postgraduate degrees degrees, 80 percent have lived overseas, foreign service officers are awarded tenure after four years, 95 percent of the serving officers receive tenure. almost all the diplomats are concentrated in only 30 countries more than 2,000 in iraq and afghanistan. what is wrong with state? [laughter] >> there are several things wrong with the state. although an institution that ought to be good at its job and could be, with careful managerial attention, the main problem is even by their own description they're not hiring people that have the skills they say they need for contemporary diplomacy. they're not hiring the right people and as you pointed out they keep them and d

. >> host: kori schake, you worked at the national security council for president george w.ush, director for defense strategy and requirements. did you find the same state department that the 1941 era at? >> guest: i went to work in the pentagon is my first real job. one of the things i was really struck by, i did not grow up in a military family and did not know the culture. i was distraught that the american military has brew teachers because they live in an environment where you cannot be good at your job unless you can make everyone else but their job i was the person that everyone had to make another job. and when i went to the state department 20 years later i was struck that the people who are successful in the state department are people who can get thrown into the deep end of the pool and not drown, but no one ever teaches them to swim. the best of them don't even values swimming lessons because, after all, they didn't drown. and so it's a culture that makes very little of the enormous human has and risks of a bit of attention and basic management you could real

. >> host: kori schake for those who try to visit our embassy it is nearly impossible. is a fortress. >> guest: congress out of concern about protecting american diplomats and in particular after the bombings of embassies is in nairobi smith the clinton did in his station and congress started to legislate much better protection but it has the dysfunctional all. -- outcome it is not safer because it is so difficult to get in that they got to have their meeting so they are less well protected although they are doing there jobs well and out and about. >> one'' to the you have, washington will capital out war and hesitation the pretense and fumbling we're gone and argument over the country and its capital turned to what americans like and do best, action. half a continent and 130 million people were transformed into the greatest military power the world could see. amid the burst of energy. the state department's to a breathless and bewildered at an old lady during an intersection during rush-hour. what is that from? >> it is dean acheson rating on december 8, 1941 after pea