have to be included in the petition so making this a permanent change you're inviting that type of mawpz to occur over and over again. if you make it a temporary change at a minimum you have to think of the same thing that supervisor chiu thought about when debating this and the voter information pamphlet, unless you take a separate vote and debate like you're having today, is going to have this problem, so for this reason we think making this a temporary fix will help to discourage that mawpz and we are urging you not to do something that is a permanent fix. >> i have a question. so you're just setting up general parameters of things you want us to consider when makes a disismghtz you as a commission don't have a recommendation between the two proposals. >> we don't have a recommendation of the two proposals -- >> [inaudible] >> those are the concerns. our elt mat recommendation that is sun sets and the reason we think it should sunset and transparency and lack of manipulation. >> you're the project sponsor. >> legislative sponsor. it's a big project. >> can you speak to that. >> absolu