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mr. zimmerman. i think the question about the injuries that he had, for the prosecution, they need to show these injuries were, in fact, relatively minor and there is blood. blood counts a lot, but that doesn't then mean that they're significant in the sense they were in a life/death struggle as described by mr. zimmerman. i'm surprised that if he was bumping his head as the way they described it you don't have more really deep contusions at the back of his head that were more deep seated as opposed to minor lacerations. but it's still on balance. certainly helps the defense's point of view as to the fact he was in a fight and he was on the bottom and struggling. >> on that point, i found interesting there where they were describing when they found george zimmerman the back of his pants were wet. the back of his shirt was wetter than the front is what that officer said right there. that has to aid the defense and this idea that george zimmerman was on his back sort of defenseless when he reached for
mr. zimmerman. i think the question about the injuries that he had, for the prosecution, they need to show these injuries were, in fact, relatively minor and there is blood. blood counts a lot, but that doesn't then mean that they're significant in the sense they were in a life/death struggle as described by mr. zimmerman. i'm surprised that if he was bumping his head as the way they described it you don't have more really deep contusions at the back of his head that were more deep seated as...
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mr. zimmerman was doing. he had no knowledge what trayvon martin was doing. >> it would be speculation if -- you have to ask her what she knows, what she thinks somebody else may have been doing. >> yes, of course. what i'm focusing on is at the point that trayvon martin ran, you have that point pretty clear in your mind, correct? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know whether he ran on around on the street that he had been walking on? >> no, sir. >> or whether he ran through a part of the community where you can't drive? >> no, sir. i told you, when he ran, the phone lost contact. it shut off. so i called back again. >> so, at the point that he ran the phone cut off? >> yes, sir. >> and then you called back. >> yes, sir. >> and how long was it in between you losing the connection and you calling back? >> i don't know, sir. >> well, do you think the phone was shut off by somebody? you didn't hang up, right? >> no, sir. >> you have no reason to think that trayvon martin hung up? >> no, sir. >> so it seemed to you like
mr. zimmerman was doing. he had no knowledge what trayvon martin was doing. >> it would be speculation if -- you have to ask her what she knows, what she thinks somebody else may have been doing. >> yes, of course. what i'm focusing on is at the point that trayvon martin ran, you have that point pretty clear in your mind, correct? >> yes, sir. >> you don't know whether he ran on around on the street that he had been walking on? >> no, sir. >> or whether he...
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mr. zimmerman contacted the police from the summer of 2011 through early 2012. mr. n's defense had argued the calls were irrelevant. >> those are not acts which show ill will, hatred, second degree. what they show you -- what they would show you is he was acting fine. >> in one call mr. zimmerman contacted police about an open garage door. in the other four calls, mr. zimmerman reported people he said were suspicious. and when he was asked by the dispatcher to identify them, he said they were african-american. here's one of the calls jurors heard today. we've edited the court proceedings to remove the part of the call where mr. zimmerman gives an address and his phone number. >> i was just calling because we've had a lot of break-ins in our neighborhood recently and i'm on the neighborhood watch. and there's two suspicious characters at the gate of my neighborhood. i've never seen them before. i have no idea what they're doing. they're just hanging out loitering. >> mr. zimmerman, can you describe the two individuals? >> two african-american males. they look, i know
mr. zimmerman contacted the police from the summer of 2011 through early 2012. mr. n's defense had argued the calls were irrelevant. >> those are not acts which show ill will, hatred, second degree. what they show you -- what they would show you is he was acting fine. >> in one call mr. zimmerman contacted police about an open garage door. in the other four calls, mr. zimmerman reported people he said were suspicious. and when he was asked by the dispatcher to identify them, he said...
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mr. zimmerman? >> it could have been ten, 20 seconds. >> when you first observed was your first observation he had been in a fight and beaten? >> yes. >> did you remain outside while the officers arrived? >> yes. >> do you -- were you present when they attempted to revive or safe the life of trayvon martin? >> yes. >> could you tell us what you recall seeing or observing about that? >> the first officer arrived and turned him over. i think more were starting to come. he was asking for a bag to do compressions on his chest. i watched them perform cpr. >> regarding the bag, did you go somewhere and get a bag the assist the officers? >> i went through the garage. >> did you come back pout and provide that to the officer in an attempt to save trayvon martin's life? >> yes. >> prior to that night had you ever met george zimmerman? >> no. >> had you ever met trayvon martin? >> no. >> were you ever involved in a neighborhood watch program at all? >> no. >> why not? >> i have work. i have other things that
mr. zimmerman? >> it could have been ten, 20 seconds. >> when you first observed was your first observation he had been in a fight and beaten? >> yes. >> did you remain outside while the officers arrived? >> yes. >> do you -- were you present when they attempted to revive or safe the life of trayvon martin? >> yes. >> could you tell us what you recall seeing or observing about that? >> the first officer arrived and turned him over. i think...
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mr. zimmerman as, quote, calm and coherent just moments after the altercation. sistant testified george zimmerman did not need sutures, and that he was taking mma classes several times a week. but it was the testimony of neighbor john good that began this 15th day of the trial. the jury heard the 911 call he made the night of trayvon martin's death. >> can you hear somebody yelling for help? >> um, i'm pretty sure the guy is out here. >> okay, we have several people calling in also. anything else that you heard?
mr. zimmerman as, quote, calm and coherent just moments after the altercation. sistant testified george zimmerman did not need sutures, and that he was taking mma classes several times a week. but it was the testimony of neighbor john good that began this 15th day of the trial. the jury heard the 911 call he made the night of trayvon martin's death. >> can you hear somebody yelling for help? >> um, i'm pretty sure the guy is out here. >> okay, we have several people calling in...
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mr. zimmerman said what you doing around here? >> yes. >> you do acknowledge, though, the first time that you were asked that question in your interview with mr. crump later that day, your response was that mr. zimmerman said, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> are you sure those are the words that trayvon martin said or could you have been sort of trying to figure out what was said and that's what you came up with? >> i'm sure. >> which are you sure about? that he said what are you talking about or why are you following me? >> why are you following me. what trayvon said. what are you following me for? >> you first said in response to that question, what are you talking about was the answer. >> i cannot hear you, sir. >> your testimony today is what you heard on the phone the man say that george zimmerman was, what are you doing around here? >> yes. >> then the first statement you made to mr. crump in his interview of you, you said what mr. zimmerman's response was, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> it was in the interview
mr. zimmerman said what you doing around here? >> yes. >> you do acknowledge, though, the first time that you were asked that question in your interview with mr. crump later that day, your response was that mr. zimmerman said, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> are you sure those are the words that trayvon martin said or could you have been sort of trying to figure out what was said and that's what you came up with? >> i'm sure. >> which are you sure...
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mr. zimmerman or against mr. zimmerman. but the fact is what the attorney is going to have to do is really dig deep to find out if there are biases that will impact their side of the case. neither side has a slam-dunk case. both sides have problems with their case. this case has gotten international exposure, all right. and unless you're living under a rock, you've heard something about this case. you have formed some particular opinions about this case. you have certain biases with respect to this case as well. that's the challenge of each side. the jury questionnaire is going to be extremely important for them to get the most key, pertinent information from these jurors that they would not be able to ask in open court setting. and a lot of times you can use that questionnaire to really gather some compelling information so that you can build your case based on some of the themes that come out during the questionaire that they review. >> attorney coffey raised a point i want to close this segment with. he said there is sti
mr. zimmerman or against mr. zimmerman. but the fact is what the attorney is going to have to do is really dig deep to find out if there are biases that will impact their side of the case. neither side has a slam-dunk case. both sides have problems with their case. this case has gotten international exposure, all right. and unless you're living under a rock, you've heard something about this case. you have formed some particular opinions about this case. you have certain biases with respect to...
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mr. zimmerman. that became your now task, correct? orrect. >> was it through the officer ayala -- true that officer ayala took over the situation of dealing with the other person now known as mr. martin? >> that is correct. >> and as you were going, anything else that you recall mr. zimmerman saying at the scene before you started walking toward the car? >> not before, no, sir. >> okay. as you were walking toward the car, didn't he utter something to you sort of voluntarily? >> yes, sir. >> what did he say? >> he said to me that he was yelling for help. and that nobody would help him. >> and how long after you first saw him did that happen? it was a minute? >> it was a few minutes. >> okay. as long as it took to do what we just talked about? >> correct. >> then because as soon as you have him cuffed, you secured the gun. >> right. >> turned him around and walked him toward your car. >> correct. >> the car was 30 yards away? >> approximately. >> and it was during that walk -- actually almost immediately upon turning toward walking towar
mr. zimmerman. that became your now task, correct? orrect. >> was it through the officer ayala -- true that officer ayala took over the situation of dealing with the other person now known as mr. martin? >> that is correct. >> and as you were going, anything else that you recall mr. zimmerman saying at the scene before you started walking toward the car? >> not before, no, sir. >> okay. as you were walking toward the car, didn't he utter something to you sort of...
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mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time. we didn't know what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there, or when i got there? >> yes. >> there probably was. i was mostly focused on security for the officer. >> just curious. we had some testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight. it may not have caught your memory. >> it doesn't, no. >> okay. because you're maybe focused on your fellow officers. >> uh-huh. >> and the interested parties. in that case, mr. zimmerman and mr. martin. >> yes, sir. >> okay. from your awareness of it, did officer smith have any concerns with securing mr. zimmerman? >> no, after he was -- i mean, he got him secured and took him to his vehicle and secured him in a vehicle. he was good. >> was mr. zimmerman compliant as far as you were aware? >> yes. >> did he do everything officer smith asked him to do? >> yes, he did. >> did he disobey
mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time. we didn't know what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there, or when i got there? >> yes. >> there probably was. i was mostly focused on security for the officer. >> just curious. we had some testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight. it may...
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mr. zimmerman's injuries when he arrived at the police station. get the exchange between her and mr. guy about the possible blood injuries. how effective is this to the jury? >> this is extremely effective, reverend al. i mean what we've done, what's happened in this trial is it went from an academic exercise in justice to the jury getting the actual evidence in this case, hearing about a young man dying on the ground while a detective is trying to save his life. they're seeing this skittles. they're seeing it in person. they're seeing the gun, the murder weapon. this was a tremendously powerful exercise in front of this jury. it brought that jury there to the murder scene, there to the evidence, and it had a powerful impact on the jury. it's exactly what the prosecution was attempting to seek when it presented all this evidence that went before the jury today. >> now, lisa, something interesting. you kept saying last night it's got to be about the evidence. it has to be about what we see with the forensic evidence and the other evidence. >> yes. >
mr. zimmerman's injuries when he arrived at the police station. get the exchange between her and mr. guy about the possible blood injuries. how effective is this to the jury? >> this is extremely effective, reverend al. i mean what we've done, what's happened in this trial is it went from an academic exercise in justice to the jury getting the actual evidence in this case, hearing about a young man dying on the ground while a detective is trying to save his life. they're seeing this...
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mr. zimmerman is watching you.from that point you said that the phone did cut off a couple times after that. but think this first. before that point, do you remember talking to trayvon martin after he entered the complex and having the phone disconnect? >> yes, sir. >> where was he when the conversation took place? >> the mena area. >> the on time you remember the phone disconnecting prior to learning from mr. martin that george zimmerman was keeping his eye on him was what you believe to be when mr. march tun was at the mail area? >> yes, sir. >> after that ... bill: it's difficult to understand the back and forth. it can be confusion at times. but in a way that is what the defense attorney wants. to pocket inconsistencies in the story of this witness. she wrote a letter and said i was on the phone with trayvon when he decided to go to the corner store. he took a walk to another complex because it was raining so hard. that's what was written in the letter. we will seele how that matches p we have been conditions t
mr. zimmerman is watching you.from that point you said that the phone did cut off a couple times after that. but think this first. before that point, do you remember talking to trayvon martin after he entered the complex and having the phone disconnect? >> yes, sir. >> where was he when the conversation took place? >> the mena area. >> the on time you remember the phone disconnecting prior to learning from mr. martin that george zimmerman was keeping his eye on him was...
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mr. zimmerman's condition. we talked about his injuries. correct?s, sir. >> you also said that the back, particularly the back of his jacket, was wet? >> yes, sir. >> of course it was raining on and off that evening, wasn't it? >> yes, sir. >> was the back noticeably more wet than the rest of his body? >> yes, sir. >> as though he had been laying in grass, on his back? >> that's correct. >> and he actually also had pieces of grass on his back as well. correct? >> yes, sir. >> could you tell with blue jeans that the back of his blue jeans were wet as well? >> appeared be a little darker. >> a little darker than the front. >> correct. >> evidencing to you what? in the darkness. >> he had been laying on his back. >> and that his jeans were wet as well on the back. >> correct. >> so you get him to the car, which -- you stayed with him the entire time. >> i did. >> that's your charge at that point, correct? >> correct. >> so you were there when he medical personnel came and treated him? >> i was. >> did he say anything -- well, did he say anything about
mr. zimmerman's condition. we talked about his injuries. correct?s, sir. >> you also said that the back, particularly the back of his jacket, was wet? >> yes, sir. >> of course it was raining on and off that evening, wasn't it? >> yes, sir. >> was the back noticeably more wet than the rest of his body? >> yes, sir. >> as though he had been laying in grass, on his back? >> that's correct. >> and he actually also had pieces of grass on his...
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mr. zimmerman response was, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> it was in the interview with mr. crump that you said you thought this was a racial thing. >> he had asked me if it was a racial thing. >> what did he say? >> do you think -- the situation was a racial thing. >> mr. crump asked you that on the recording? >> yes. >> have you had a chance to look at the transcript? or listen to the recording? did you ever hear him say that on the recording? >> your honor, i'm going to objection to the comb pound questions. >> please break your questions up. >> sure. do you remember him saying that specifically to you during that phone interview? >> yes. >> have you ever seen a transcript of the recording or ever listened to the recording to know whether or not, in fact, it's there? >> yes. >> and is it there? >> no. >> but your comment is you think it's a racial thing? >> yes. >> mr. crump didn't record that part of the conversation when he asked you if you thought it was a racial thick but only recorded your answer -- >> objection what mr. crump did or did not do. >> sustained. she can
mr. zimmerman response was, what are you talking about? >> yes. >> it was in the interview with mr. crump that you said you thought this was a racial thing. >> he had asked me if it was a racial thing. >> what did he say? >> do you think -- the situation was a racial thing. >> mr. crump asked you that on the recording? >> yes. >> have you had a chance to look at the transcript? or listen to the recording? did you ever hear him say that on the...
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mrs. zimmerman and some moneys and something. >> yes. and now mrs. zimmerman is under state prosecution because of that. this judge is aware of that. this judge is getting these things on the record so he can't come back later and say my attorney made all these decisions and i didn't agree with them. i let him go forward with the case. >> now, melissa, it got a little heated between lawyers on both sides on how the defense was asking questions about public relations to trayvon martin's death. listen to this. >> did you read anything or hear anything on tv about any demonstration -- >> objection. >> sustained. you can ask him what he has heard or read or what he knows. >> have you heard or read anything related to demonstrations or protests? do you remember hearing anything about this case in the news that suggested there may be racially -- >> your honor, objection. >> counsel, approach. >> now, zimmerman's lawyer raised the question about protest demonstrations that was objected to by the prosecution. the judge said you can ask what he heard. you can'
mrs. zimmerman and some moneys and something. >> yes. and now mrs. zimmerman is under state prosecution because of that. this judge is aware of that. this judge is getting these things on the record so he can't come back later and say my attorney made all these decisions and i didn't agree with them. i let him go forward with the case. >> now, melissa, it got a little heated between lawyers on both sides on how the defense was asking questions about public relations to trayvon...
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mr. zimmerman? >> no. >> in your conversations with mr. mmerman d you ask him what kind of caliber of gun he had? >> yes. >> did he respond to you? >> yes. >> what did the defendant say, sir? >> .9 millimeter. >> you were asked by mr. west about the statements the defendant made about shooting the individual, and he asked you whether you agreed that was defending himself. were you out there when this happened? >> i came out after it happened. >> did you see actually what happened, what precipitated this, or did you actually see the shooting where george zimmerman shot trayvon martin in the chest? did you see that? >> no. >> do you have any inkling of how it happened, whether it's self-defense or not? >> no. >> thank you. no further questions. >> i apologize. do you want this still up? >> no. >> okay. i meant to show it, but that's all right. >> nothing further, thank you. >> may he be excused? >> yes, your honor. >> thank you very much, sir. you are excused. please call your next witness. >> and as they complete that testimony, rejoining me
mr. zimmerman? >> no. >> in your conversations with mr. mmerman d you ask him what kind of caliber of gun he had? >> yes. >> did he respond to you? >> yes. >> what did the defendant say, sir? >> .9 millimeter. >> you were asked by mr. west about the statements the defendant made about shooting the individual, and he asked you whether you agreed that was defending himself. were you out there when this happened? >> i came out after it...
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mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time. ow what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there? >> yeah. >> when i got there? >> yes. >> there probably was. i wasn't focused on security for the officer. >> just curious, we had some testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight, might not have caught your memory. >> it doesn't, no. >> okay. because you're focused on your fellow officers? >> uh-huh. >> and the interested parties. in that case, mr. zimmerman and mr. martin. >> yes. >> okay. from your awareness of it, did officer smith have any concern with securing mr. zimmerman? >> no, i mean, he was -- he got him secured. >> okay. >> and took him to his vehicle and secured him in a vehicle. he was good. >> was mr. zimmerman compliant as far as you were aware? >> yes. >> did he do everything officer smith asked him to do? >> yes, he did. >> did he disobey in any form t
mr. zimmerman and trayvon at the same time. ow what was going on. >> right. >> as soon as he secured zimmerman, i went ahead and focused on trayvon, make sure where the threat was coming from. >> was there another person there? >> when we got there? >> yeah. >> when i got there? >> yes. >> there probably was. i wasn't focused on security for the officer. >> just curious, we had some testimony that a neighbor had come out with a flashlight,...
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mr. zimmerman's left hear, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> this would be of his right side again, closer to the front. you see that lump? >> yes, i do. >> and do you see the abrasions in the temple area? >> yes, i do. >> and you saw them that night, too? >> that is correct. >> this is the back of mr. zimmerman's head in exhibit number 74. you see the lacerations? >> yes, i do. >> you saw them that night as well i take it? >> yes, i did. >> there were over two dozen photos of bruised and bloodied george zimmerman. how effective do you think that was, jose? >> i think it's effective to a certain point. what they're doing is they're taking the defense's best evidence head on. they've already admitted during their opening statements that, at some point, trayvon martin was on top of george zimmerman. so what they're showing this jury or what they're attempting to show the jury is basically this. we know there was a scuffle. we know at some point trayvon martin was getting the best of george zimmerman. and despite all of this
mr. zimmerman's left hear, is that correct? >> that is correct. >> this would be of his right side again, closer to the front. you see that lump? >> yes, i do. >> and do you see the abrasions in the temple area? >> yes, i do. >> and you saw them that night, too? >> that is correct. >> this is the back of mr. zimmerman's head in exhibit number 74. you see the lacerations? >> yes, i do. >> you saw them that night as well i take it?...
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mr. zimmerman or mr. martin were mma trained at all? >> i didn't know either people. >> thank you, no further questions. >> just a few areas. >> do we need, anybody need a break? yes? okay. can we -- >> it will be five or ten minutes. >> can you wait? >> your call. >> i'll talk to the jury not you, go ahead. >> i'm sorry your honor. if i may have this marked, you marked it? >> yes. >> it's state 2s. okay, may i approach the witness? >> yes, you may. >> is that your, is this a copy of your statement given that night most contemporaneous with what was happening? >> yes. >> is that the document that you were questioned about as far as what words you used and how you wrote down what you perceived the first opportunity that you had to perceive it? >> i wasn't questioned about it but i was given it to write a statement. >> and that is accurate, is it not, as you wrote that night? >> from what i saw that night, yes. >> i move this into evidence your honor as our next exhibit. >> same objection, your honor. >> please approach. >> so the side ba
mr. zimmerman or mr. martin were mma trained at all? >> i didn't know either people. >> thank you, no further questions. >> just a few areas. >> do we need, anybody need a break? yes? okay. can we -- >> it will be five or ten minutes. >> can you wait? >> your call. >> i'll talk to the jury not you, go ahead. >> i'm sorry your honor. if i may have this marked, you marked it? >> yes. >> it's state 2s. okay, may i approach the...
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mr. zimmerman's lawyer, mr. merrill on the show who acted as though at trial when the screaming tape is heard that i would hear and the listeners and viewers would hear more than one voice. and we'll see what he is talking about at trial. now they're fighting aggressively to keep it out of the trial. it would it seems to me if they thought that mr. zimmerman was the one yelling help, why would they be fighting to keep it out of the trial? >> well, that's a very good question. and we know that the prosecution has at least one expert witness who is prepared to say that it was not george zimmerman screaming on the tape, that in fact on the tape it's either somebody who is not george zimmerman, which would leave trayvon martin the only other person in the altercation, or clearly that it was trayvon martin screaming, begging, saying stop in the final moments of his life. that's going to be for the jurors to decide if they in fact even hear it. >> but isn't that crucial to the a self-defense claim, faith? because firs
mr. zimmerman's lawyer, mr. merrill on the show who acted as though at trial when the screaming tape is heard that i would hear and the listeners and viewers would hear more than one voice. and we'll see what he is talking about at trial. now they're fighting aggressively to keep it out of the trial. it would it seems to me if they thought that mr. zimmerman was the one yelling help, why would they be fighting to keep it out of the trial? >> well, that's a very good question. and we know...
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mr. zimmerman. the defense was attempting to discredit her.pinion, do you think they were successful in doing so? >> i'm not sure they were. if i'm a defense attorney and i've got a person on the stand, then i want to make sure that i am able to impeach their credibility at nearly every level. and it seems as though some of the statements that miss jean tell said were not true. we was not 16. she did not give sybrina fulton her real name. and she had some very plausible speaking from her culture, a very plausible reason as to why not to tell the truth in those situations. was she, however, consistent in that she believed trayvon not to be the aggressor? was she consistent in that trayvon was near his father's house and simply trying to get away from george zimmerman? >> he was absolutely consistent in those things and there was nothing that don west did to underkuta credibility. so some of the moral unfortunate advice voices we've heard online and we've even heard across other networks that are assailing rachel jeantel as somenaire do well who
mr. zimmerman. the defense was attempting to discredit her.pinion, do you think they were successful in doing so? >> i'm not sure they were. if i'm a defense attorney and i've got a person on the stand, then i want to make sure that i am able to impeach their credibility at nearly every level. and it seems as though some of the statements that miss jean tell said were not true. we was not 16. she did not give sybrina fulton her real name. and she had some very plausible speaking from her...
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mr. zimmerman, but hold against me but not mr. zimmerman. i have your assurance you won't. here's how it goes. knock, knock, who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman, who? all right, good. you are on the jury. nothing? that's funny. after what you folks have been through the last 2 or 3 weeks. let's get on to however the serious business of why we are here. in the neighborhood of 7 o'clock, in fact just a few minutes after 7 o'clock, george zimmerman leaves his house in his truck and goes out here to get to the exit. he sees a person that later becomes known as trayvon martin coming in to the community, not through the gate but cutting through the houses. standing in a place where people that live there wouldn't typically come into the community. little did george zimmerman know at the time, that in less than ten minutes within him first seeing trayvon martin, that he, george zimmerman would be sucker punched in the face, have his head pounded on the concrete and wind up shooting and tragically killing trayvon martin. there is been a lot of publicity, some of you may
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mr. zimmerman. >> and what was your conclusion on who was the one on the tape yelling help? nion, reverend. it's not george zimmerman because the voice is completely different. >> now the first expert, tom owen, faith will, be testifying at tomorrow's hearing. how vital is his testimony in this case in your opinion? >> it's extremely vital. but the dispute here is over the size of the sample. there are only three seconds of unencumbered screams, they're saying, and these experts took the three seconds and looped them to come up with a sample to test. that's the dispute. the fbi is saying three seconds isn't enough. they're saying we looped it and we were able to test it. so we'll see how the judge rules. i still think she allows it in. it's going to be up to the jury to determine how much weight they're going to give to the testimony. >> lisa, take news the courtroom. if you're prosecuting this case, you're prosecuting george zimmerman, how would you handle this part of the case? >> i think it's tough. well, i would certainly say that this is trayvon martin. and i want to put
mr. zimmerman. >> and what was your conclusion on who was the one on the tape yelling help? nion, reverend. it's not george zimmerman because the voice is completely different. >> now the first expert, tom owen, faith will, be testifying at tomorrow's hearing. how vital is his testimony in this case in your opinion? >> it's extremely vital. but the dispute here is over the size of the sample. there are only three seconds of unencumbered screams, they're saying, and these...
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mr. zimmerman or trayvon martin who was screaming for help? couldn't see anything. >> you couldn't say it was mr. martin yelling for help, because mr. zimmerman had a gun and he was yelling help, help, help. you can't say whether it was or not? >> can't say either way. >> so he is making the point these witnesses are simply coming in, telling about what they heard, what their observation were, if any. nothing more. they don't have a dog in this fight. no bias here. and i can tell you the most significant thing about this call, it is now in evidence. the jurors will be able to take this back into the deliberation room and listen to it again. john guy, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors is going to get up and ask them again listen carefully. what when do the screams stop? the moment that gunshot goes off, this person, who sounds like they're screaming for their life, that person is silenced that is the significant argument about this call. >> if the person screaming is silenced, and of course the prosecution would want to use that saying it h
mr. zimmerman or trayvon martin who was screaming for help? couldn't see anything. >> you couldn't say it was mr. martin yelling for help, because mr. zimmerman had a gun and he was yelling help, help, help. you can't say whether it was or not? >> can't say either way. >> so he is making the point these witnesses are simply coming in, telling about what they heard, what their observation were, if any. nothing more. they don't have a dog in this fight. no bias here. and i can...
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mr. zimmerman was victimized, the bruises, the scrapes that he sustained as a result of mr.tin being the aggressor in hurting him and attacking him and therefore he had no other option other than to use the gun and kill this young man. >> mark, if the defense goes with that strategy, wouldn't that make it even more important to the prosecution that this tape in experts come in because this tape and the experts saying that that wassen in fact that was yelling for help would dispel in many ways them being able to use that effectively as a defense. >> i'm not so sure this judge is going to let that tape come in, number one. i think number two when you get into a battle of the experts here clearly the defense has got the better experts than the prosecution. remember the defense is able to put up fbi experts who say that this is basically junk science. i'm not so sure that the prosecution is going to want to get what they're wishing for here because i think ultimately if it comes in, i think the defense is going to e vis rate them. >> the tape is coming in, mark. i think the expe
mr. zimmerman was victimized, the bruises, the scrapes that he sustained as a result of mr.tin being the aggressor in hurting him and attacking him and therefore he had no other option other than to use the gun and kill this young man. >> mark, if the defense goes with that strategy, wouldn't that make it even more important to the prosecution that this tape in experts come in because this tape and the experts saying that that wassen in fact that was yelling for help would dispel in many...
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mr. zimmerman. you can hold it against me if you want but not mr. zimmerman.have your assurance you won't -- >> you got to love lawyer jokes, by the way, always prefaced with a lengthy disclaimer preassigning legal liability to any damage that the joke might incur. (applause) the following joke here after referred to as the joke is provided solely to amuse and entertain the lisser owners. the joke teller-- resulting from any offense, embarrassity raised by said joke, par 2 the joke this joke provides that a rabbi an procedures pursuant to an oral agreement jointly purchase a car hereafter referred to as the automobile. after the said purchase, the rabbi witnesses the priest sprinkling water on the automobile and asks what are you doing? the priest allegedly responded that he was blessing the automobile. although the description of this statement is not intended to prove the truth of the matter asserted, nor to endorse the existence or effectiveness of a blessing. the rabbi replies okay, since we're doing that, and takes out a hax saw and cuts two inches off th
mr. zimmerman. you can hold it against me if you want but not mr. zimmerman.have your assurance you won't -- >> you got to love lawyer jokes, by the way, always prefaced with a lengthy disclaimer preassigning legal liability to any damage that the joke might incur. (applause) the following joke here after referred to as the joke is provided solely to amuse and entertain the lisser owners. the joke teller-- resulting from any offense, embarrassity raised by said joke, par 2 the joke this...
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mr. zimmerman. >> i tend to agree with the defense on this one, megyn. the prosecution is calling the police on numerous occasions and they want to try to present to the jury an argument that his frustration was mounting until it finally exploded. and the problem is that there is no evident and it is speculation on their part and what it looks like, they are trying to back door the evidence in this case. that is not allowed under florida law. and they have 50 or 60 calls to the police by george zimmerman and 17 of them by suspicious people and introduced all of them where he called about a black male and it begs the question of are you doing this so the jury is blackmail, blackmail. and so if that is the reason, i don't know why they don't come out and claim he is a racist. they will need that evil intent and spite in order to make a second-degree murder claim. >> i don't know how bad that would be for george zimmerman, judge. if i am zimmerman's lawyers and say yeah, he called all of those times an
mr. zimmerman. >> i tend to agree with the defense on this one, megyn. the prosecution is calling the police on numerous occasions and they want to try to present to the jury an argument that his frustration was mounting until it finally exploded. and the problem is that there is no evident and it is speculation on their part and what it looks like, they are trying to back door the evidence in this case. that is not allowed under florida law. and they have 50 or 60 calls to the police by...
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mr. zimmerman. hold it against me if you want, but not mr. zimmerman. i have your assurance you won't. e's how it goes. knock knock. who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right. good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. after what you folks have been through the last two or three weeks. let's get on to however this serious business of why we're here. let's take a look at where all of this started. george zimmerman is not guilty of murder. he shot trayvon martin in self-defense after being viciously attacked. and here's the evidence that will show you how and why it happened the way it did. i've got some things to display for you that will help. some of them will be up there too. is this okay? all right. sorry. okay. . what you're looking at is an aerial view of the complex in sanford over near the seminole town center there called retreat at twin lakes. this is basically the whole thing. just as a bit of orientation, george zimmerman lived down here in this area. this street is called retreat view circle. sometimes people use that interchangeably with the compl
mr. zimmerman. hold it against me if you want, but not mr. zimmerman. i have your assurance you won't. e's how it goes. knock knock. who's there? george zimmerman. george zimmerman who? all right. good. you're on the jury. nothing? that's funny. after what you folks have been through the last two or three weeks. let's get on to however this serious business of why we're here. let's take a look at where all of this started. george zimmerman is not guilty of murder. he shot trayvon martin in...
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mr. zimmerman as -- pejorative, i can say it.exually suggestive poses, photos, which were also scrubbed. kind of makes you wonder also from a -- a prosecution point of view, wouldn't you have kind of urged her to do that a long time ago? >> they might have. >> why is she doing it like yesterday? >> they might have look, the prosecution is dealt the witnesses they are dealt. they don't control that. more dangerous and more damaging to the prosecution's case, when she revealed the racial slurs that came out of trayvon's mouth, the prosecution is trying to imply the racist is george zimmerman. >> might go the other way. she said that wasn't really racist, not pejorative. just the way they talk. judge, thanks so much. that is it for us tonight. before we go, bill would like to remind you, if you buy any one of his three best selling books on billoreilly.com, he will make $1 donation to the fisher house for each book sold. and to join my podcast, radio show or books, go to lauraingram.com. thank you for watching. i'm laura ingraham in
mr. zimmerman as -- pejorative, i can say it.exually suggestive poses, photos, which were also scrubbed. kind of makes you wonder also from a -- a prosecution point of view, wouldn't you have kind of urged her to do that a long time ago? >> they might have. >> why is she doing it like yesterday? >> they might have look, the prosecution is dealt the witnesses they are dealt. they don't control that. more dangerous and more damaging to the prosecution's case, when she revealed...
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mr. zimmerman because you had seen the photograph on tv and based on his size it was mr. zimmerman on top? >> yes. >> reporter: that was not the defense, that was the prosecution talking to that witness. later, the defense did go after her, and she did sort of back off that statement. she said, you know what? now i'm not so sure. so the defense would say that was a win for them. >> marty, thank you very much. >> i want to dig in deeper with our panel. danny, what effect do you think these witnesses had? >> i think they're credible. they don't have a dog in the fight. but what is their final take. if you believe everything they said, where does that get us? somebody screamed. sounded like a boy. not sure. does that take us anywhere, is it probative of any fact in this case? which again, i keep going back to it, in this case, the prosecution has the tremendous burden. not only of beyond a reasonable doubt, but they must disprove zimmerman's self-defense claim and do any of these witnesses get us there? somebody screamed, we can conclude that. but if we don't know who at the
mr. zimmerman because you had seen the photograph on tv and based on his size it was mr. zimmerman on top? >> yes. >> reporter: that was not the defense, that was the prosecution talking to that witness. later, the defense did go after her, and she did sort of back off that statement. she said, you know what? now i'm not so sure. so the defense would say that was a win for them. >> marty, thank you very much. >> i want to dig in deeper with our panel. danny, what effect...
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mr. zimmerman said what you talking about? >> yes. >> so it was racial, but it was because trayvon martin put race in this? >> no. >> you don't think that's a racial comment? >> no. >> you don't think that creepy [ bleep ] is a racial comment? >> no. >> again, you lied because you wanted to give a plausible answer to ms. fulton as to why you didn't go to the wake? >> yes, sir. >> but on the april 2nd interview, you, in fact, were under oath. >> yes, sir. >> and you knew that? >> yes, sir. >> so the prosecution's "star witness" have a credibility problem? here with reaction, fox news legal analyst, peter johnson jr. and jonah spilbore and attorney analisa sekolazi. creepy ass cracker, and the "n" word. what do you think about that? >> if this is the star prosecution witness, i don't want to see the worst witness. the case in terms of prosecution was supposed to be about racial attitudes of george zimmerman and front and center, we hear trayvon martin invoking the "n" word and another bad word, cracker. so i think it's backfired
mr. zimmerman said what you talking about? >> yes. >> so it was racial, but it was because trayvon martin put race in this? >> no. >> you don't think that's a racial comment? >> no. >> you don't think that creepy [ bleep ] is a racial comment? >> no. >> again, you lied because you wanted to give a plausible answer to ms. fulton as to why you didn't go to the wake? >> yes, sir. >> but on the april 2nd interview, you, in fact, were under...
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mr. zimmerman, that correct? >> um, for my belief? >> yes, sir. >> nobody can take nobody life. >> given how much publicity this case has received, it's a dramatic time in the courtroom as lawyers try to pick this jury. also today, the judge announced she will sequester the jury once it's seated. a huge decision. we'll talk about what it means for the trial. joining me now is former criminal prosecutor faith jenkins, nbc news legal analyst lisa bloom, and criminal defense attorney john burris. thank you all for joining me tonight. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> faith, let me start with you. we just heard one juror who talked about street fighting. isn't this an example of a juror being shaped by what she is seeing in the media? >> absolutely, because a part of the defense strategy was to release information about trayvon that would never get put out in front of the juries at trial because their message is trayvon is not only the initial aggressor, he is just an all around bad individual, and therefore george zimmerman was justified in
mr. zimmerman, that correct? >> um, for my belief? >> yes, sir. >> nobody can take nobody life. >> given how much publicity this case has received, it's a dramatic time in the courtroom as lawyers try to pick this jury. also today, the judge announced she will sequester the jury once it's seated. a huge decision. we'll talk about what it means for the trial. joining me now is former criminal prosecutor faith jenkins, nbc news legal analyst lisa bloom, and criminal...
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mr. zimmerman if he does not testify. what will lawyers be looking for in this next round of questioning, faith? >> so in this next round of questioning, you're going to see a more traditional approach to jury selection. the jurors are going to be seated as a group. and the lawyers are going to ask them questions as a group and initially may say how many of you own a gun? and they will raise their hands. they'll go to them one by one and ask them follow-up questions. so the jurors will actually be able to hear what other perspective jurors are hearing when they're answering these questions and the lawyers will then decide who, if any to eliminate based on their answers. >> now last, the judge still needs to rule on whether the audio analysis of the 911 call is admissible at trial. and the hearing i understand starts monday at 4:00 p.m. we know they will play the tape, but we don't know if the audio analysis from experts would be permitted. that right? >> yes. and the judge is going to make this decision before opening sta
mr. zimmerman if he does not testify. what will lawyers be looking for in this next round of questioning, faith? >> so in this next round of questioning, you're going to see a more traditional approach to jury selection. the jurors are going to be seated as a group. and the lawyers are going to ask them questions as a group and initially may say how many of you own a gun? and they will raise their hands. they'll go to them one by one and ask them follow-up questions. so the jurors will...
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mr. zimmerman's attorney argued they should be removed from court. an's parents and wife had already been ordered to leave the courtroom because they may be called as witnesses by the prosecution. mr. zimmerman's lawyers wanted trayvon martin's parents out too. but the judge said the victim's family must be allowed to remain in the courtroom if they choose. >> as far as the victim's parents or next of kin, they are allowed in. the defense has to show some prejudice to keep them out. >> back with me are faith jenkins, lisa bloom, and ken padowitz. lisa, let me start with you. george zimmerman's parents will not be in the court, but trayvon's parents will be in attendance. how important is that fact? >> first of all, it's a very interesting legal quirk. it used to be victims' family didn't have rights. the parents of a minor have the right to be present for all aspects of a trial. that's why they get to stay. everybody else who is a witness has to be excluded until they testify, and then they can come in. and the defense is concerned about how that look
mr. zimmerman's attorney argued they should be removed from court. an's parents and wife had already been ordered to leave the courtroom because they may be called as witnesses by the prosecution. mr. zimmerman's lawyers wanted trayvon martin's parents out too. but the judge said the victim's family must be allowed to remain in the courtroom if they choose. >> as far as the victim's parents or next of kin, they are allowed in. the defense has to show some prejudice to keep them out....
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mr. zimmerman was justified in his actions. jenna: would you have sometime r-zimmerman testify? >> it's too early to tell. i don't have the benefit of sitting with zimmerman and seeing what his personality is like. it's too early simply because we haven't seen what evidence the prosecution has brought forth. if they bring forth a strong case, at that point i think it would make sense for mr. zimmerman to testify. at this point it's too premature to make that determin determination. jenna: both families have been very outspoken about this case. george zimmerman's brother has been outspoken, his father has been quoted in local and national media as well. you have trayvon martin's very emotional and outspoken about the case. on friday the judge ruled when it comes to this controversial 911 call the family can testify, not an expert but family. what is the right way to use family in this case and in what ways can it backfire. >> it's clear while the prosecution will want to bring the family member up onto the stand. they want the jury to feel the pain that this family is feeling, an
mr. zimmerman was justified in his actions. jenna: would you have sometime r-zimmerman testify? >> it's too early to tell. i don't have the benefit of sitting with zimmerman and seeing what his personality is like. it's too early simply because we haven't seen what evidence the prosecution has brought forth. if they bring forth a strong case, at that point i think it would make sense for mr. zimmerman to testify. at this point it's too premature to make that determin determination. jenna:...
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mr. zimmerman to take the stand?it depends on -- like his lawyer is saying, depends how the trial unfolds. if they get this audio data in there that is essentially going to problem it was trayvon martin screaming the last moments of his life that, might sort of force the hand of the defense here. it depends how it unfolds. if they can rest their case without hip testifying, they will do so. >> james peterson and goldie taylor, tachings so much for joining us. coming up, could he be the republican party's last best hope? plus, it's getting hot in here. our top lines week in review is next. >> i'm actually going to take off my jacket and anybody else who wants to feel free to. [ male announcer ] running out of steam? ♪ now you can give yourself a kick in the rear! v8 v-fusion plus energy. natural energy from green tea plus fruits and veggies. need a little kick? ooh! could've had a v8. in the juice aisle. to support strong bones. and the brand most recommended by... my doctor. my gynecologist. my pharmacist. citracal.
mr. zimmerman to take the stand?it depends on -- like his lawyer is saying, depends how the trial unfolds. if they get this audio data in there that is essentially going to problem it was trayvon martin screaming the last moments of his life that, might sort of force the hand of the defense here. it depends how it unfolds. if they can rest their case without hip testifying, they will do so. >> james peterson and goldie taylor, tachings so much for joining us. coming up, could he be the...
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mr. zimmerman if he had cut his hair in the past 14 hours? >> i had not asked that question. >> if i may have a moment, your honor. >> all right. while the defense attorneys are consulting amongst themselves, let's bring in sunny hostin. it looks like a pretty powerful cross-examination for mark o'meara making the case that trayvon martin was beating up. hold on for a moment, think about that. let listen in. >> thank you. any redirect? >> you mentioned something that i was curious about in talking about the shape of the head. >> yes. >> i guess we all think the head is perfectly shaped, our skull. is that always true? >> it's not necessarily always true. >> tell me a little bit about that if you would. >> everybody's head shape is completely different. obviously most people don't notice because they have hair on their head so it depends on what that may look like, but everybody can have certain abnormalities of the skull. >> so in other words, people may have a bump there just preexisting and it may not be caused by trauma? >> it could be, co
mr. zimmerman if he had cut his hair in the past 14 hours? >> i had not asked that question. >> if i may have a moment, your honor. >> all right. while the defense attorneys are consulting amongst themselves, let's bring in sunny hostin. it looks like a pretty powerful cross-examination for mark o'meara making the case that trayvon martin was beating up. hold on for a moment, think about that. let listen in. >> thank you. any redirect? >> you mentioned something...
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mr. zimmerman as, quote, calm and coherent just moments after the altercation. and a physician's assistant testified george zimmerman did not need sutures, and that he was taking mma classes several times a week. but it was the testimony of neighbor john good that began this 15th day of the trial. the jury heard the 911 call he made the night of trayvon martin's death. >> can you hear somebody yelling for help? >> um, i'm pretty sure the guy is out here. >> okay, we have several people calling in also. anything else that you heard? >> no. the guy yelling help. oh my god. no, there is a guy with a flashlight in the backyard now. >> okay. >> i think there is flashlights and there is a guy. i don't know if that's a cop. oh my god. >> john good testified about the altercation that took place right outside his home, saying he could see who was on top in those critical moments before george zimmerman fired his gun. >> could you tell at that time in terms of describing who was on top and who was on the bottom? >> i could only see colors of growthing. >> okay. the color
mr. zimmerman as, quote, calm and coherent just moments after the altercation. and a physician's assistant testified george zimmerman did not need sutures, and that he was taking mma classes several times a week. but it was the testimony of neighbor john good that began this 15th day of the trial. the jury heard the 911 call he made the night of trayvon martin's death. >> can you hear somebody yelling for help? >> um, i'm pretty sure the guy is out here. >> okay, we have...
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mr. zimmerman squatted down to collect himself, you took the picture. >> yes. >> he didn't ask you to takehe picture? >> no. >> thankfully you did, but that was your decision? >> yes. >> and you asked him what happened? >> yes. >> and he said this guy was beating me up, and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> pardon me? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> this guy was beating me up, i was defending myself, and i shot him is what he told you? >> yes. >> fobill wheeler and bill stann join us. >> sure, sean. >> when you go to the earlier testimony, ground and pound, straddle, mma style, and what we just played for you there, within 15 seconds of the shooting, he told this other witness that he was defending himself. coupled with the other eyewitness that saw it, what do you think of what happened today? >> well, i think it was very important. the information we learned today will be very critical. let me remind you and viewers that we're only into week one of a expected four- to six-week trial. a lot more evidence will come out. the other thing very important tha
mr. zimmerman squatted down to collect himself, you took the picture. >> yes. >> he didn't ask you to takehe picture? >> no. >> thankfully you did, but that was your decision? >> yes. >> and you asked him what happened? >> yes. >> and he said this guy was beating me up, and i shot him. >> i had to defend myself and i shot him. >> pardon me? >> i was defending myself and i shot him. >> this guy was beating me up, i was...
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mr. zimmerman told the police that day and has maintained this story all along. but that doesn't mean there wasn't good cross examination and then redirect examination, which seems like cross examination. very unusual. there is a small break in proceedings right now, which is a grit opportunity to go to cnn's george howl, who is covering this gavel to gavel. george, what a difference a day can make. i want you to sum advise, how it's changed. >> absolutely. so we started today with a technician who monitors under surveillance cameras and we are specifically talking about these cameras outside the clubhouse in that jabd. there are cameras working. ones outside were not. the ones inside captured some sort of movement outside the windows. i think we will at some point come back to that video. it was admitted as evidence. right now, it is unclear exactly what the significance of that is. we will hear more about it. on the stand we have seen lately is john good. this is a neighbor who lived in that neighborhood he says he stepped outside, saw two people first vertical
mr. zimmerman told the police that day and has maintained this story all along. but that doesn't mean there wasn't good cross examination and then redirect examination, which seems like cross examination. very unusual. there is a small break in proceedings right now, which is a grit opportunity to go to cnn's george howl, who is covering this gavel to gavel. george, what a difference a day can make. i want you to sum advise, how it's changed. >> absolutely. so we started today with a...