exhibit a, tim mccarver. >> thank you. well, i mean, john madden had a head start in the television business because he was such a great coach. he handled all the elements of what football is all about. i think i had a head start in baseball because i was a catcher. i handled the pitching staff, i could see what a third baseman was going to do. the responsibilities of the infield cheating toward the bag in a double-play situation. i can still remember curt flood, our center fielder of the decade of the '60s, great player, took the first step toward free agency, by the way. >> rose: and with great courage. >> with great courage. i mean, gave up a contract worth $110,000 a year in those days, which was a ton of money in 1969. but i can still remember him moving the silhouette of the pitcher and flood moving in anticipation of how a certain pitcher was going to work a hitter. it was almost balletic and i can still think about that and curt was a very, very intelligent man and knew hitters very well and knew hitters' tendencie