>> i respect walter pincus as a reporter. i think he is wrong. we were very concerned about national security. we handled it responsibly. we were not criticized by the administration in releasing and running the story. do i think they were happy that we got the story? no. did they criticize us for jeopardizing national security? o. i think if that comes up now, over a year later, that is more suspicious, to me. we did not hear that at the time. i think ap did actress was a -- act responsibly. the white house did announce the next day. i do not know when the white house was going to announce this, absent the ap story. i just do not know. >> a questioner asks, if revealing information of the crime, why shouldn't it be a crime for reporters to publish lassified information? >> this person has an elusive grasp of the first amendment. so, government employees -- it is a crime for government employees to reveal leak information. classified information. this is a complicated issue. we all know that information in the government is over classified. there

>> isam and an admirer of walter pincus.s a bit of a contrary and peace that he is published today. there is a difference between no if thereon of privacy is a difference between saying that sweep of all records of all americans and store them in a record database. one thing does not necessarily follow another. of government data base is different than a company database. the government has capabilities that the telephone company does not have. so there is a distinct issue. it also leaves out other issues of the history. 40 years ago there were extensive public hearings on the conduct of domestic surveillance. missing similar hearings and a recent years. engagementspublic and public disclosure that characterize the era when walter pincus was in congress is not what we're seeing today. >> he writes about wired magazine in a story in march 2012 and wrote extensively about the utah facility being built to store pretty much every google search, every piece of data coming in and out of this country. he asked, was there any follow

>> i respect walter pincus as a reporter. i think he is wrong. aboute very concerned national security. we were not criticized by the administration in releasing and running the story. thatthink they were happy we got the story? no. do they criticize us for jeopardizing national security? no. now,nk it that comes up over a year later, that is more suspicious to me -- suspicious, to me. i think we acted responsibly. i do not know when the white house was going to announce this, absent the ap story. i just do not know. but it's -- >> why shouldn't it be a crime for reporters to publish classified information? >> this person has an elusive grasp of the first amendment. so, government employees -- it is a crime for government employees to reveal leak information. this is a complicated issue. we all know that the government over classifies information. way too much information is classified. a lot of it is classified that should not be. some of it is embarrassing. there's a lot of overclassification that goes on on. the government acknowledges this. p

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guest: i'm an admirer of walter pincus and i of course respect his work. i think it is a bit of a contrarian piece that he published today. there is a difference between saying there's no ectation of privacy associated with a -- your telephone number and saying, ok, well, let's go sweep up all records of all americans and store them in a government database. you know, one thing doesn't necessarily follow from the other. and, of course, a government database is different than a telephone company database. the government has powers and authorities and capabilities that the telephone company does not have. and so it's a -- there is a distinct issue. and it also leaves out a -- other aspects of the history of this issue. 40 years ago, there were extensive public hearings on the conduct of domestic surveillance. we've been missing similar hearings in present year -- in recent years. the kind of public engagement and public disclosure that characterize the era when walter pincus was in congress is not what we're seeing today. host: he also writes about "wire" ma

jon: but people like walter pincus in "the washington post" argue americans are always on facebook, twitterd of thing. they don't really care about privacy these days. >> that's not true. people put some stuff out, a picture of their girlfriend, but when they find out as they have now that everything they have out there is accessible by the government, that puts a whole frightening aspect to it. information includes financial data -- jon: mark klein, we have to say good-bye because the computer's about to -- >> okay. jon: mark, thank you very much. jenna: major news now on a major u.s. city. detroit's emergency manager says detroit is insolvent. he just unveiled his plan for detroit's future which some say may be the first step needed for a bankruptcy filing. they will miss a key payment today. he's proposing that debt holders take a drastic cut in the monies they're owed to stave off what would be the largest bankruptcy. pension obligations that this city is shouldering, what happens with them? some $17 million in debt, we'll keep you posted as we hear more on this developing story. jon: m

>> i respect walter pincus as a reporter. i think he is wrong.we were very concerned about we handled itrity. responsibly. we were not criticized by the administration in releasing and running the story. do i think they were happy that we got the story? no. did they criticize us for jeopardizing national security? no. i think if that comes up now, over a year later, that is more we did not, to me. hear that at the time. i think ap did actress was a boy. the white house did announce the next day. i do not know when the white house was going to announce this, absent the ap story. >> ast do not know. questioner asks, if revealing information of the crime, why shouldn't it be a crime for reporters to publish classified information? >> this person has an elusive grasp of the first amendment. so, government employees -- it is a crime for government employees to reveal leak information.classified information. this is a complicated issue.we all know that information in the government is over classified. there is way too much information is classified. a