jeff bush, kron 4 news. if the faq.given the opportunity to hear from the prosecution. >> i am disappointed as we are with the verdict but we accept it. we are in a great country with a great criminal system. it is not the best in the world but we respect the jury's verdict i would also like to thank you for your time that you have given in this case on both sides they are deserving of this attention we have come from the beginning, given the truth, to come out and for peace to give the result and that continues to view the prayer is that they have been answered. a. we will be back to of this newscast with more, local reaction in the bay area. (bells) >> and canada, this gathering of last weekend's explosion in quebec. church bells rang out 50 times. 50 killed and others are missing the brakes failed on a train. more than 70 tanker cars of crude oil with a train derailment. this small town and in france, carrillo was booked into rosa and bailed out of custody as of this afternoon, according to jail personnel. this man,

kron4 jeff bushes on scene. when can we expect the 4th runway to reopen?> reporter: pam, ultimately that is up to the ntsb. airport officials hope it will be sometime in the middle of next week. >> very frustrating. >> reporter: many made their way to sfo and delay was the word of the day. >> it was put up after hour, then another hour, then delayed another hour. >> reporter: jack and has passengers were the latest to arrive at sfo later than they hoped. they were caught up in slow motion travel. >> we went from manchester and delayed in philadelphia and arrived here now through a connecting flight. we have lost 3 days. >> reporter: it is tougher with kids. >> i prefer for them to be safe, but we have a 10 and 7 year old and they are exhausted. you have to grin and bear it. >> i left at 9:00 this morning from buffalo, new york. then when we got to chicago they told us about the delay. it was a few minutes less than 2 hours. >> reporter: a lot of tired travelers happy to finally be here. jeff bush, kron4news. >>> the president and ceo of asiana airlines arr

i'm jeff bush in oakland, kron 4 news. >>> juries have reach #-d verdicts in the trials of two d theng rape of a 16-year-old girl. it happened outside of richmond high school back in 2009. the girl found by police under a picnic table, prosecutors say more than a dozen men were on the scene as she was raped and beaten. marcelles peter and jose montano facing a long list of charges. the verdicts are sealed. they will be read tomorrow in court. we will have a full report tomorrow on kron 4 news at 5:00. >>> if a bart strike should happen again, it could last a lot longer than the one a few weeks ago. that was four days. as for how bart would handle that, we talked to the agencies communications officer. >> we are focused on trying to find an negotiate a settlement to the labor issues out there. at the same time, we are preparing for the potential of a strike. we have contingency planning going on. that includes things like improving the charter bus service, also looking at the operation of trains during the four-day strike, we operated trains with a skeletal crew in order to provide ma

kron 4's jeff bush shows you tonight's touching memorial. >> reporter: her name was alaysha, but everyone who loved her called her ladybug. they spelled out that term of endearment in the door with the bullet holes still visible. >> her last words were i know i'm going to die. we can take that as something bad and say that's awful that an eight-year-old should know she is getting ready to die, or we can take that as she is just a very intellectual little girl that wanted to leave a stamp on everybody's heart. we take it as both. but we want to say that this is just ... this is a horrific thing that happened to us and i hate that it happened to us. this is tearing my heart apart right now. >> reporter: it was clear how much ladybug was loved. the sense of loss was felt by everyone an the candle was held high in her honor. >> i just want my baby back. i just want one more hug and one more kiss and one more i love you. that's it. that's all i want. >> reporter: chiquita carradine says ladybug's funeral will be next week. she is very sad her daughter was gone but she is very grateful for the

i'm jeff bush in san francisco, on 4 news. >>> we first heard from juror b- 37 last night. she told cnn's anderson cooper she believes zimmerman acted out of frustration, not racism and he is a good person. >> do you think george zimmerman violated trayvon >> i don't think he did. i don't think he did at all. i don't think he profiled him. i think he profiled him as someone in the neighborhood that was suspicious. >> when he says these fing punks, they always get away with it, he was not referencing race? he was referencing young people? >> i think he was referencing frustrate of everything happening in the neighborhood. >> new tonight, four other jurors are now trying to distance themselves from her statements even thoughoverly, they voted to acquit zimmerman. they say the woman's statements do not represent their views. >>> well temperatures are on the mild side. still in the 60s in a number of places. the cloud cover is already moving back in. we are seeing low clouds. another night of widespread fog coverage. but it will clear faster out there tomorrow than it did tot.

jeff bush is live in san francisco near candletick park where people are attending the jay z, justin timberlake concert. >> reporter: we're starting to see cars exiting now. there are a few vehicles trickling out. the concert just finished up. we're about to get 50,000 more drivers on to the highway. this is a crazy day that is turning into a crazy night. let's take video we shot a little while ago. this was shot before the justin timberlake-jay z concert. it was bumper to bumper traffic on highway 101 as people were making their way into candlestick park. now we're about to have the opposite happen. all of those people are going to be flooding on to highway 101 going north and south. you can imagine that's going to create a little bit of a traffic backup. back out here live, as i said, you can see that more and more cars are coming out of candlestick park. we can expect to see thousands of people on the highway. i'm jeff bush, in san francisco, kron 4 news. >>> friday's evening commute was a mess for motorists who were trying to get in and out of san francisco. this was the scene ju

kron 4's jeff bush has that part of the story. >> reporter: about 3 dozen community members joined by near where the shooting happens. their message, stop the violence, stop the killing. >> they killed a young baby. she hassen lived in the world. we must learn how to come together and learn how to be our brothers' keeper because if we are not our brother's keeper, your brother won't be kept. >> reporter: wanda johnson, oscar grant's mother was on hand to shore her support for the victims and get the message out that violence is not the answer. >> when we do that. when we begin to speak against the wrongs going on, we will see a decrease in the wrongs taking place. we have to come together as one. >> reporter: others shared the same sentiment. >> we are worried about our children, our city, our adults. we are worried about anything going on in oakland until we get out here and say our city is here. nothing is going to change. >> reporter: residents here are feeling a sense of sadness and loss and trying to come to terms with the violence that has affected this normally quiet neighborho

. >> pam: >> pam: kron four's jeff bush shows you what it was like on the waterfront, and got reaction from commuters. >> reporter:the ferrys wer coming and going all afternoon long like clockworkevery half hour a new one showed up to take on hundreds ofeach boat can carry roughly 360 peopleand, that kept the lines from getting too long for very long. the reaction from commuters was mostly positive. >>it's a whole lot of line but we're all going to get on the ferry. it's a little bit of a pain but it's alright. the ferry company is very organized. we know what lines to get into and when the boats come they get us on and everyone takes a seat. it's actually very pleasant. >> >>i'm hoping it's better than a c transit which was a horrible experience today.: tell me about that. what happened?: we were waiting in line for over an hour. the buses kept moving by us and not telling us any indication if they were going to stop at our stop. there were over 50 people in line and they were so late. there were like three that were supposed to come and only one came. so, i'm hoping this is a better

kron four's jeff bush details what happened and >> reporter: take a look at the top of your screen and you will see the man in the white t shirtoakland resident >> he started shooting. one, two, three, four, five and when he was going around he started shooting behind him without looking and put the bullets into my son's car. >> reporter: jose says this is the man who pulled the trigger. the shooting happened back in may. jose ortiz got the video from this store on high street, where the shooting happened. jose is horrified that the shooter fired indescriminatly. jose's grandson was in the back seat of the car. ortiz he was shooting at someone across the street?: he was >> shooting at someone who was at the corner of santa rita and high street. there is my son coming out all upset. my grandson is in the back seat with his dog. >> reporter: jose says this is the shooter. he took the video to the police but says nothing has happened. ortiz the investigator from the police department told me that he tried to pursue it and they didn't want to do nothing about it. so, where do we go from he

. >> pam: here's kron four's jeff bush. with how long people are waiting to get on board. >> reporter:the lines are streching around the corner for most of the buses headed to the east bay. many commuters that i talked to say they are looking at an hour to two hour wait. let's take some video and show you what it's like and you can see that people are taking a seat on the ground because of the wait. most people are patient but, as you can imagine, the wait is an agrivating reminder that bart is not working. >>man, i don't normally take the bus but you got to get around you know? it sucks. it really sucks. >>this line is so backed up that we have to wait for the next bus but the first bus is supposed to have been here. so, it's definatly taking a long time. >> reporter:we just came into the city >> for the day and i have idea how long it's going to take. it's my first day for taking the bus. it was hektic enough getting here in the morning. i don't know, half an hour, maybeok, three hours. i'm not looking forward to this wai

i'm jeff bush, kron4news. >>> a gas line break was finished being repaired. the pipe was ripped open by a construction crewforcing an evacuation. pg and e stopped the leak. the crews had to wait for water service before completing the gas line repairs an hour ago. >>> a man crashed into an oakland house on alice and 7th. police say the drive was taken to highland hospital. the crews are working to pull the vehicle from the house. >>> firefighterses have a 3- acre fire. this is from our partnership with abc7. it is surrounded by paved roads. crews had it under control. the asphalt kept it from spreading. >> reporter: it was 92 in concord. 96 in pleasanton. 91 in san rafael. closer to the coastline not much change. the fog is rolling back in. the fog is set to affect the coastline and bay shores and will be fairly brief into the morning. it leads to warm conditions. cooler weather is ahead. we will look at the extended forecast coming up. >>> it has been called one of spain's worst raicrashes. >>> old messages from anthony weiner. what he plans to do in new yor

jeff bush, kron4news. >>> there are photos we can't show you of a politician.e graphic snap shots have surfaced. . >> the world got its first glimpse of the new royal bundle of joy. katherine and william left with their baby. . >> it was a moment we were waiting for. when the couple came out they looked completely relaxed and happy, and there was the little baby that people wanted to see. they did get to see it. they walked to the microphone and gave these responses. >> he has a good pair of longs on him. he is heavy. we don't have a name. >> i think any parent knows this feeling. >> i don't think they will be here that long. they will head off to seclusion of the village. in a week william is back to work. he is a working royal. we head into a younger age of royalty and see how they are doing things differently. it isn't how things would have been handled 20 or 30 years ago. >>> he did it again and got caught again. weiner is explaining why he sent text messages and photos to a woman who is not his wife. the photos are not fit for tv. he is sending more photos

i'm jeff bush at oakland police headquarters, kron four news.an 100 people rallied in front of a historic post office in berkeley yesterday closure. due to the bad economy and a steady decline in mail volume, the postal service says it plans to close the downtown berkeley post office and hundreds of other post offices across the country. protestors rallied for hours in front of the main post office to demand that the united states postal service reverse its decision to sell the services elsewhere. >>".post office building." the 52-thousand square foot building, which was built in 1914, is on the national register of historic places. berkeley officials including mayor tom bates, assemblywoman loni hancock they will fight the closure. another classmate of a teen girl who killed herself by three teen boys. while she was passed out. has been added to the families' lawsuit. audrie pott's family initially sued three 16- year-old boys in april. the lawsuit accused them of sexually abusing their daughter during a september the assault. but last month th

i am jeff bush in san francisco kron 4 news >>> tonight the city counsels - to monitor the court of open area. the city counsel is expected to vote at midnight tonight. the city counsel president of the program calls domestic aware center. but, an aclu attorneys sent a letter urging the counsels to withhold the approval because of significant privacy concerns. >>> family and friends attended a funeral for the 8-year-old girl who was shot and killed alaysha carradine, pink coffin out of the service today. she was known as lady bug. >> i am angry of the violence in our community. i don't want to come to another child's funeral. >> she should not die at her age and i am just -- i am just broken up about it, i am really am. >> oakland's chiefs attended the service today and they said they're working to follow up the lead and to catch the killer. >>> as you see on this map those streets are still closed as crews continue with repairs, they'll remain on the side and begin turning gas on for the business effected at 6 a.m. on wednesday morning. the cause of the leak is under investigation. >>>

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jeff bush of details of what happened and has more of the dramatic video. >> reporter: take a look at the top of the screen and you will see the man with the white t-shirt pulled out his gun. >> he was going around here he was shooting wi looking. >> reporter: ortiz says this is the man that pulled the trigger. jose got the video on this store on high street where the shooting happened. the sh fired. jose's grandson was in the backseat of the car. >> he was shooting of somebody in the back of the street and at the corner and he ran over there and my grandson called me, my son calling me all upset. >> he took the video to the police but says nothing has happened. >> the investigators from the department told me that they did not do anything about it. so where do we go from here from the da they're not doing anything? we are never going to stop this crime and never going to get this guy. >> reporter: jose wants the police to reopen the case and wants the district attorney to go after this guy. he's hoping that someone will see this video will recognize this shooter and come forward. >>>

i'm jeff bush, live in san francisco, kron 4 news. >>> and in oakland, some of rallying against the verdict at frank ovala plaza >> reporter: and john, the protestors have just left the plaza and they're walking down broadway now. >> they were just 12 or 24 people, a couple dozen people this evening at around 10:00, but now it's around 100. >> they're taking to the streets right now. >> take a look at this earlier video as people were gathering. >> there are signs with trayvon martin's picture on it and many of these protesters wearing hoddies. >> just about 15 minutes ago, there was a moment of silence held, instead of prayer. >> protestors say they feel this is the great in justice and they're totally disappointed by the verdict. >> he didn't get justice at all and i feel like everybody out here agrees. >> i'm kind of disappointed they found that man innocent. >> it's wrong. >> i feel he should serve some type of justice, is do some type of time. a little time or something. >> very disappointing. i feel like it's unfair and unjust. >> i feel like he should have walked away with a sentence

kron 4's jeff bush is live in oakland with the latest in the search. today police were handing out fliers in the area where she was reportedly last st. pierre >> there are two search locations one of the airport and the other one will be home that she shares with her father and her grandmother appeared >> daphne's disappearance has left a lot of unanswered questions for police her family and her neighbors appeared >> the kidnapped child's father is in jail tonight. kron 4's j-r stone reports from outside santa rita know tonight. jr? it is actually the alameda county jail where we are and the bail money has not been posted and that is why john whether it is now in this facility. >> he was arrested several hours ago. >> he faces a charge of child endangerment. >> hopefully we will have a jailhouse interview thursday or friday morning but that has been denied. >> as of this n webb is still in jail charged with child endangerment for the kidnapping or missing of his child death in the web >>. >> our team coverage on this story continues.we'll map out three

i'm jeff bush in oakland, kron four news. daphne's father, john webb says the he and other family members are going to be back out again today, handing out flyers and trying to find out what happened to little daphne webb. the deadline for bart and its unions to reach a contract deal is quickly approaching. the two sides are still worlds apart, and your commute could be impacted once again on august 4th. haskron 4's scott rates talked to both sides and tells us who's prepared to stay on strike for a long time. >>darya: if a buyer does decide to hire replacement employees in the event of a strike that could put them through the 15 week safety class but due to current stipulations on the contracts, they cannot do that until a to officially went on strike. i can tell you both parties will be back at the negotiation table friday at 10:00 in the morning. reporting in oakland, scott rates, kron4 news. >>james:groundbreaking internet series and movie actors could win big at this year's emmy awards. they are expected to include two n

kron4's jeff bush joins us live with that part of the story. near the highway. jeff? >> reporter: pam, this is near harrison street and eigth st a complete joke point. the officers are trying to do with this complete----- chock... choke... point. from eight street to harrison street. and a third intersection, they are coming off of the bay bridge. as you mentioned, this is a very popular spot to get to the bay bridge. they have not received word that there is all of this police activity. as you mention, a big choke point. jeff bush, kron 4 news. >> pam: breaking news this is a live picture in the area where there is a lot of police activity. we continue to follow this breaking news. there have been two people killed of the san francisco jewelry mart. as many people are trying to get to the bay bridge on this friday evening commute. with several news crews on the scene and will continue to bring you developing news. now,only on four tonight. new information in the case of kidnapped oakland todder, daphne webb. kron4 has uncovered new details about the childs parents. t

kron-4's jeff bush is live in oakland -- at 79th avenue was reportedly kidnapped. >> catherine: >> you will feel the pain is when a family member comes of missing. and you know was that on anyone but i hope that she comes back to our of our our arms. once again happy she's back with just as we are planning for us and that is where our fate is right now. we want to see her again! >> i just want her home. we all just want her home. >> reporter: hoping for daphne's safe return. i am just bush live in oakland kron 4 news. >> catherine: here are some of the business owners concerns >> the violence and destruction of property and intimidation of customers and employees and people that are trying to go along with their normal life is just not acceptable. >> catherine: the rest have been made of the in regards to violence over the weekend toward a small group of people are responsible for the vandalism. and a higher number of police are out on the street. >> reporter: intron police chief john went sat down about 20 business home he chambers of commerce to listen to their frustrations and in re

as kron 4's jeff bush reports. neighbors say salamon was an animal lover who was seen daily walking dogs in the maxwell park neighborhood. obamas she lived on this quiet oakland street for more than 20 years. --this woman. >>: she kept to herself. she took care of dogs. all testers her whole family appeared to be dogs and cats. she took care of animals. that was her family. that's not her facebook page shows the love for her dogs that she cared for. she said katz iphone and dogs i foster. this is another dog and his name is bb. she cared for him until he was adopted by a young couple. people who lived by her house say she was a good neighbor with a big heart. >>: she was an elderly lady she drives an old car and she lives in a house right there she's not what you would classify as a rich or fluent person. perhaps it was i wrong place at around time. >>: people said they can't imagine why someone would want to shoot her in the middle of the day in the middle of the street. her neighbors say that judy will be missed

kron-4's jeff bush is live at the ferry building. and jeff -- how does it look right now?are looking good. pam things are looking good. the ferry has been added as with additional boats coming every half an hour. >> the faerie cost of the ferry companies are very organized and we know what lines to get into. it's actually fairly pleasant. >> is a whole lot of line but we will get on the ferry it is a little bit of a pain. >> i am actually from texas we do not have a transit sell that is better where i come from, already. i am sure it something had to be done. this certainly >> reporter: as i just checked the line only a couple of dozen people on. i'm jeff kron 4 news. jacqueline with this traffic looking like? >> jacqueline: still dealing with some congestion. the toll plaza things from that location all the way to treasure island are quite sluggish. across the bay area still dealing with a number of incidents on 80 east. with an earlier accident which has cleared the now there is another accident. 880 is sluggish as well. so conditions are clearing a little bit and the ea

. >> pam: that's where kron- 4's jeff bush is.hose shuttles were at capacity early this morning. is it going to be as bad we are >> reporter: hearing reports of and now work to an hour and a half wait time. to get to their destination. people were telling me that they had come in this morning and took two hours from berkeley and that trip on bart would take about 25 minutes. kron 4 news. >> pam: finally tonight both sides are back to the negotiation table trying to hammer out a deal. scott, which can you tell us about the conference tonight? >> reporter: the president of the trans union says and that she is optimistic. just about 10 minutes ago you can see the mediator walking into the building. getting ready to go tonight and also the union members walking and as well getting ready to go. sitting down and hopefully working out eight deal. >> reporter: 500 people or more impacted by this and they are frustrated. people will like to know when this will handle my can take continue with their regular lives? we'll >> eat are going to

kron-4's jeff bush is live in oakland -- at 79th avenue and international boulevard. ot where daphne was reportedly abducted. jeff? >> reporter: on 79 international most of the family are gathered here. oakland police have been looking for destiny and several other locations. daphne webb. they have been searching for her over and m. l. k. shoreline park. hoping that someone knows affirmation of where she could be pure it like >> as it wicket if we did this come together as a community if someone has heard or seen something to please come forward and let us know anything. someone knows something in which is hoped that they come forth and help bring your home. >> reporter: dan the vigil is just getting to it on its way. same prayers and thinking about her and hoping that someone knows where she is. live in oakland kron pour news. >> catherine: bart talks don't seem to be making much progress. in fact - there could be another strike.and this one could last months -- not days. >> reporter: replacement workers would have to go through a 15 week course if they could not star

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jeff bridges and the music from capital city. >> from all of us here, have a good night. the news continues now on twitter, facebook and all of your mobile devices former president h.w. bush is looking rather aerodynamic these days as in he doesn't have much hair. his new look is our favorite story of the day. >> it really is. president bush shaved his head in support of the young son of one of his secret service agents. the youngster named patrick is battling leukemia losing his hair as a result. >> the 89-year-old former president got the idea to get his head shaved as he saw members of his secret service detail doing the same thing. nice going, mr. president, and all the best to patrick. that is cute, huh? >> really is. really is my favorite story of the day. i almost picked a different one. glad i want with this one. this one is great. just kind of a little background here for you. apparently former president bush and his wife barbara lost their second child then 4-year-old robin bush to leukemia, 60 years ago. makes sense why he would do this. >> sure does. >>> coming up, imagine a town where every building is painted the exact same shade of blue. and it's a good thi

jeff. caller: you have touched on this a little bit. --er president of fish president busho declared himself the war president, you touched on this a little bit with the judeo-christian beliefs and how it's tied to israel and our antagonists in the middle east. i firmly believe if mitt romney would have one president, we would have paratroopers and marines in syria right now. we would probably be on our way to egypt to stop the so-called military coup. people are american getting tired and they know if we get republicans back in there, my kid will probably end up fighting in the middle east for either religious beliefs or oil. i would like your opinion on that. thanks. host: thank you. guest: i think one thing the caller is tapping into is the reputation the republican party has acquired in recent years or recently because of the george being theministration party of supporting foreign industry -- intervention. it was not always this way. you see people tapping into the concerns the caller raised. host: john is joining us from iowa on the democrats learned. caller: i have a

jeff greenfield? >> when you look at what happens to a party with electoral problems, someone shows up and challenges the party. bill clinton challenged it it on everything from the death penalty to welfare. george bushntrast, mitt romney, there was not a single moment in 2012 where he said to the party, i disagree with you on this. it was a constant effort to sort of, if you don't like the word pander, placate. that's part of the problem. the republicans can do fine in 2014 because of what eugene robinson talked about. the same in 2010. obstructionism deny hurt them, it it may have helped them. a presidential race, if one of these people dun begin laying out an argument for saying here's where i am and i disagree with you, you could even go to tony blair in great britain where they say we have to change. you almost have to win that battle among your own people before you take it to the country. that's one of the challenges. >> jeff greenfield, one thing the party doesn't need to do after it faces electoral disaster is listen to the pundits. go back to 1964. everybody said that barry goldwater and the conservative movement. he si delawa he destroyed the conservative movement. you look at what was wri