jon newman -- jon newman, i think, really looked to john newman as being the wild card and because hes very intellectually rigorous and they came away disappointed by the questions he asked. >> awfully disappointed. >> sorry, next after that. >> i actually work for the 2002-2003 managing partners. just thinking of somebody who was at mackenzie and knowing a lot of colleagues there, the sense of betrayal of raja gupta is so acute is mind-boggling. i am sure they confirm the absolute key is the extent that ten years or eight years after that i still don't talk about who my clients are even though they don't exist any more. that is that point. the second point is the impact on south asians. a lot of consultants of indian origin, the chatter that goes across the network felt they would be set up for special scrutiny and field a pilot the indian mafia at mackenzie and casts the disparaging shadow on them. it is not quite fair because it is long lasting but simply an impacted. >> that is the question. okay. right here in the second row please. >> my question is speak to interview raja for t

john newman, i think john newman was sort of a wild card, and because he is very intellectually rigorous and i think they came away disappointed by the questions he asked. >> next over here in the second row. >> i actually work there when he was when raj rajaratnam was managing partner there and knowing a lot of colleagues there, and since the trial of raja gupta -- absolute keep to the extent that ten years, eight years after that i still don't talk about who my clients were. that is the first point. second point is impact on south asians. a lot of consultants who were indian in origin just the chatter that goes across the networked have felt they will be set up because they feel they are part of the indian mafia at mackenzie. and cast a disparaging shadow on them. not quite fair, but long-lasting. that is better impact. >> that is the question. right here in the second row please. >> my question is i take it you didn't speak to or interview a raja for this book? >> i don't want to comment on sources. >> i am also, if you were talking to family members for cousins, it did they know the