. >>> and, lucky severson on the phenomenal popularity of the poems of kahlil gibran. popularity and biting criticism. >>> maim funding for "religion & ethics" is provided by the lilian endowment, and dedicated to the founders in religion, community development and education. additional funding also provided by mutual of america. designing customized individual and group retirement products. that's why we're your retirement company. and the corporation for public broadcasting. >>> welcome. i'm bob abernethy. it's good to have you with us. muslims around the world this week began their month-long observance of ramadan, when they fast from sunrise to sunset. in egypt, the holiday falls amid continued unrest after the military's removal from power of former president mohamed morsi. morsi's political party, the muslim brotherhood said it will not cooperate with the interim government and vowed to continue protesting. tensions were particularly high after the military fired on brotherhood protesters, killing more than 50 people. one of the country's top muslim clerics calle

. >> i was with kahlil. let's go here. >> we were like what i would say -- >> let's listen to the music. >> i think i'm going to come back and crash that guitar. that would bring a moment of comedy. >> there are hundreds of checkpoints throughout the occupied territories to make the israelis feel safer. the palestinians, on the other hand, see these checkpoints as a method for the israelis to humiliate them and control their lives. when we traveled, jamal and i had to pass many roadblocks, tunnels that could only be traveled by the army and the settlers. the clear separation underscored the limited freedom of movement of the palestinians versus the unlimited access of the israelis. >> we thought that it would be important to meet one of the leading gunmen of the palestinians. he was the leader of a brigade and agreed to see us in an area that saw some of the worst fighting between palestinian resistance and the israeli army. we met him in one of the many hideaways which made the israelis and our crew very ne

kahlil, my question is for you.for years, african-americans have relied upon marches, demonstrations, and rallies. i think as we continue to grow older and of course more sophisticated, we have developed a more complex strategy. one includes, for example, the naacp has a petition that's now reached over 1.4 million signatures urging the justice department to file -- press civil rights charges against zimmerman. you also have the question of, and hopefully you can help us answer this, what other things should folks be considering in terms of long-term systemic change that doesn't have much to do with zimmerman? >> i want to point out, first of all, that the verdict itself is the context for bringing all these people together, but the larger focus of our attention should be on the zimmerman mindset. the zimmerman mindset will require robust, engaged, sustained, and long-term re-educating the american public about the difference between an individual who does something and a group of people who share the same racial id