good men and women of afscme under president lee saunders, the largest public employee and healthcareunion in the entire country. for more information about their good work, make it happen, check out their web site, afscme.org. well more -- a lot more talk this morning about what's happening with nsa but particularly what's happening with edward snowden. and we find out that the president of bolivia was rerooted all over europe yesterday in his official plane while he was trying to head back to his country. several countries would not let him across their airspace because the rumor got out that he might have edward snowden on board. we check in with garantz who is politics editor with "the atlantic." >> thank you for having me on this morning. >> bill: i know before we get into some of this -- serious nsa talk, you just came back from the aspen ideas institute right? >> yes. the aspen ideas festival in aspen, colorado. >> bill: festival. and maybe the highlight of that -- from what i've seen was this interview with justice elena kagan who had -- dropped a bombshell out there. didn't s