why prison officials say o.j. has been a good boy, a model inmate and how long until he might be walking among us. >>> then a jaw-dropping government report on what airport security screeners have been doing. tsa not thousands standing around anymore. they're doing other stuff like taking naps, boozing up, even stealing from passengers' bags. >>> plus another meltdown within the anthony weiner campaign as if there's anything left to melt. anthony weiner's spokeswoman goes on attack against a former intern, it is an epic rant that we can barely repeat on tv. i stress barely, unless breaking news changes everything on "studio b." even if there is breaking news we'll go tote that. first from fox at 3:00 people who were supposed to keep us safe while we fly give us a patdown and the frisk and the touchy instead have been sleeping on the job, doing drugs on the job, even stealing from the passengers they're hired to protect. tsa. that's the finding of the government's watch dog group about the transportation security a

that is where o.j. simpson's lawyer believe he has a good chance of getting out of prison if she grants him a new trial. he's been in prison for five years for that robbery attempt and kidnapping in a las vegas hotel room. he went in to get his memorabilia from two of his old cohorts and spent the last five years in prison. he remains in prison. >> one of the reasons they site for this decision to grant him parole are his positive institutional conduct, participation in program, lack of prior conviction history and he has consecutive sentences yet to serve. i just want to be precise in what the board said. the parole of o.j. simpson becomes effective when he reaches his eligibility parole date of october 13th. after that date he will begin serving the 12 month minimum term on four concurrent 12 to 72 month sentence impose for using robbery and kidnapping. he will be seen by the board in 12 months for parole consideration on these four sentences consecutive to these four enhancement sentences. bottom lin

the moment o.j. was found not guilty, the verdict was shocking.ning me two of the syrimpson jurors. we got a statement for four of the six. one has already spoken out and this was on behalf of four of the others. obviously, they have been through a heck of an ordeal. you went through it. do you empathize -- >> definitely, i do empathize with them for sure. >> did they reach the right verdict, do you think? >> definitely not. definitely not. >> you would have found him guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter? >> second degree murder, of course. i'm one of those people that believe george zimmerman was predisposed to go out and kill someone that evening because of the fact of all of the frustration he had built up in the previous calls prior -- that led up to this particular incident and his desire to not let them get away with anything anymore, and so -- and again, this is my personal -- >> do you think he racially profiled trayvon martin? >> definitely, i do believe that. >> david, you as a jury obviously caused considerably controversy bec

. >> tonight another controversial jury verdict, o.j. simpson's acquittal 18 years ago. what it's like to live with a verdict that shocked the nation. >>> i sat down with rachel jeantel what turned out to be extraordinary. she had a lot to say. >> they tried to paint a picture of somebody interested in guns, took a lot of drugs. let's get to the truth about that. did he ever talk to you about guns? >> no. >> did you ever see him with a gun? >> no. >> what about drugs? >> drugs? okay. weed. you say marijuana -- >> uh-huh. >> we in my area, we see weed. my area weed for trayvon, i can explain one thing. weed don't do -- ever him go crazy. it just ever him go hungry. when the state closed, they trying to explain what kind of person i am. you can see the kind of person i am. i never -- the whole stand i never cussed out don. even during our little back marmg i've been dealing with don west. >> you actually saw him here in the cnn -- >> yeah, yeah, yeah. >> what did that ever you feel to see him again? >> uh-uh, uh-uh. the only reason i haven't said nothing to don west becaus

i spoke with o.j. that case back in 2000, and asked him whether he would like to take a lie detector test. >> what about now. >> than anybody. >> would you take a lie detector test now. >> not for you i won't. >> shepard: how about are for mr. geld and the fbi. >> if i can benefit for it then i will. goldman and all these guys think i'm guilty. sign off. whatever money is made, o.j. can keep to raise his kids i will do it. >> shepard: didn't happen, of course, the nevada parole board indicated it it made today's decision because o.j. has been behaving well behind bars. will carr live in our west coast news hub this afternoon. will? >> hi, shep, when you talk about behaving well, evidently simpson has earned quite a few brownie points for being a model inmate. last week simpson told the parole board that he has been helping clean the prison gym. he has been coaching in the prison yard and staying out of trouble. according to the parole board today, that led to today's decision. here is the catch. at thi

>> hertz, the superstar in rent a car. >> we want to be like o.j., we did the o.j.rowded airport like did he in those hertz commercials. >> he crossed seamlessly into hollywood, with roles in movies like "the towering inferno." and the "naked gun" trilogy. on screens big and small, as an actor, pitch man. network football analyst, o.j. simpson observers say had a charm, that smile, that guy next door vibe that made whites and african-americans equally comfortable with him. but in june, 1994, a much more ominous and bizarre chant of go, o.j., go. pockets of small crowds in l.a. cheered simpson as he led police on the notorious white bronco chase. simpson's trial for the murder of his ex-wife nicole and ron goldman marked the first time america had been transfixed on tv for a court case. eventually he was acquitted. but just as compellingly as he had brought americans of all races together in admiring him in the '70s and '80s, his trial cast the deepest and most disturbing divides. >> it pitted black against white and people who rich against poor. no one didn't have a

after almost five years, there's a chance o.j.impson may soon be a free man. >> i have a really good feeling. >> i will be so disappointed. >> they believed the evidence they offered during a weak-long hear warnds a any trial for simpson, who is currently serving a 33-year sentence for his role in in what prosecutors say was an arm robbery and kidnapping. they believe they had a conflict of interest, and they think the murders of simpson's wife nicole and ron goldman also influenced the trial in las vegas. >> the before and after picket turgs show how much of a toll prison has taken. there's speculation that simpson is ill, but his attorneys say he's fine considering what he's been through. >> my personal opinion is every one year in prison takes an additional seven off your life. there's also speculation that simpson seen here in "naked gun" wants to revive his acting career. his pension reserves are gone, spent on his vegas defense team, according to court testimony, while acting or a reality show might bring in needed cash, his

in the case of o.j. simpson, the case is now. 16 months after his criminal acquittal he was found guilty in a civil court to pay $33.5 million to the families of nicole simpson and ronald gold man and in 2008 he was convicted on 12 counts with kidnapping and armed robbery. he's 66 and serving prison term. he's scheduled for parole, but only for the kidnapping. he won't get out of jail any time soon. >> she began kaley and began to cry and cry and cry. >> casey anthony is a different story. she was acquitted but not famous before the trail, she became infamous during it. her life of partying was dissected in court and while there is no evidence she's living this type of life any more, she is living as a free women in an undisclosed location r followin >> reporte proceedings. he was accused of seven counts of molestation involving a 13-year-old boy. after found not guilty in june of 2009, four years to the month of his acquittal, the world was stunned when the king of pop was found dead of a drug overdose.

in the case of o.j.the answer is definitely no. 16 months after his criminal acquittal, he was found guilty in a civil court and ordered to pay $33.5 million to the families. then in 2008, he was convicted on 12 counts including kidnapping and armed roblry. he's now 66 years old and serving up to 33 years in prison. he's scheduled for a parole hearing later this month for the kidnapping charge. he will not be getting out any time soon. >> she began to cry and cry and cry. >> reporter: casey anthony is a different story. she was acquitted of the most serious charges in the murder case against her. she became infa mouls during it. her life of parenting and parentying was dissected in court. while there's no evidence she's living this type of life anymore, she is living as a freedom and staying as ig cog neato as possible. rioting broke out in l.a. following the aquisales of the officers in the rodney king. king made a statement after the trial. >> can we all get along. >> reporter: he won a large settlemen

for people to rejoice that o.j. got off when he clearly killed two people -- the cases are very important. i'm not comparing them and everyone of their particulars. but that kind of rejoicing at an acquittal is not cool. >> jonathan, can i just say, there was nobody out there saying that nicole brown simpson needed to be put down like a rabid dog which is what people on the right -- >> or calling her posthumously a weed smoking gangster -- >> believe me, i'm not rationalizing these people. i just wrote a whole book trashing them. i don't want there to be any confusion. >> people looked at the o.j. trial, right or wrong, good or bad, they were rejoicing in the fact -- >> a lot of americans didn't even like o.j. simpson, didn't believe in his innocence at all but they were saying this is something we never -- >> let me let eugene do better than me. >> yeah. o.j. simpson was never black until he went on trial. it's not like had he this deep seed association with black activism or anything like that. obviously he killed

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in the case of o.j.the case is now. 16 months after his criminal acquittal he was found guilty in a civil court to pay $33.5 million to the families of nicole simpson and ronald gold man and in 2008 he was convicted on 12 counts with kidnapping and armed robbery. he's 66 and serving prison term. he's scheduled for parole, but only for the kidnapping. he won't get out of jail any time soon. >> she began kaley and began to cry and cry and cry. >> casey an ththony is a differ story. she was acquitted but not famous before the trail, she became infamous during it. her life of partying was dissected in court and while there is no evidence she's living this type of life any more, she is living as a free women in an undisclosed location and staying quiet. rioting broke out in l.a. following the acquittal of the king case. king made a public statement after the disturbances broke out that was praised by people around the country. >> can we all get along? >> reporter: he won a large settlement but for many years

i think that when you think about o.j.son and 1995 and that verdicts, one of the things i always remember and talk to people about is the snowball effect of race and racism. we dealt with the issue of the rodney king verdict, the rodney king beatings, the riots, chief darrell gates and the way it conducted its business in the late 80s and early 90s, which many african-americans were offended by and victimized by. back then the lapd had a way of stopping an african-american, profiling african-americans, and detaining african-americans without probable cause in my view. so these tensions build up. each time there is a racial incident, there is a snowball effect and ultimately, these things explode. into something very bad. it exploded into riots in 1992 and they are the partial reason why i think o.j. simpson was acquitted ultimately. >> let's play something the martin family attorney said about the justice department investigation and goal yoet you reaction to it. >> in the civil rights violation case we do get to look dire

in the o.j.pson trial it seemed i dunno, it didn't have the same influence or power. >> with o.j. simpson i was in law school, there was some of overwhelming evidence there. we all went in to watch that verdict but there was a lot of edence with o.j. simpson being guilty and this is what annoys me the most, how fast that jury came back. r hours or something. we you have that much responsibility think about it. taken a nap before you reach a verdict smith that was nice about this jerry they really did take their time if it is unfortunate there getting backlash. lou: it is predictable and it is expected and one jur in particular has revealed there thinking and approach she is a very bright won, a conscientious person. it is clear i think the state of florida wells will served by the intelligence and diligence of this jury. >> their concentration from the jury experts, the producers in the courtroom courtroom, taking notes come on the edge of their seats, not nodding let the clock one negative not n

but he thought that o.j. would get, maybe 10, 12 years.33 years he was shocked. a lot of people were. a lot of people believe it had something to do with justice in terms of nicole and ron goldman's murder and karma rather than the incident in las vegas. >> interesting. ted rowlands, thank you very much. >>> secret government documents now available for you, the public, to see. top intelligence officials release information on how and why they collect information from your phone calls, from your e-mails. we'll talk to a former fbi official, see if americans should at all be concerned. >>> this story, i know, has a lot of people talking, including me. i tell you, this story actually brought me to tears as i was reading it last night. a radio host lets the country hear into one of the most emotional times of his life, the death of his mother. so he took to twitter to post these messages, these very intimate messages, about his mother's final moments in the hospital and the incredibly personal tweets have gone viral. that story is next. you r

that's why i believe o.j.id it and george zimmer acted with malicious intent. >> you talk about the black community feelings about that but there was a reaction when the verdict came in. >> people brought a wrongful death suit against o.j. simpson. >> do you get the point i'm making. >> i think so and i have been to naacp meetings. i went to the 2011 convention and one of the most important things was the right of criminal defendants and not seeing them railroaded through the criminal justice system. he got railroaded through a criminal justice system. there was no probable cause to arrest him and charge him. because of political pressure he was pushed into that situation. he was acquitted and they still won't let him go and what's really ironic, in any other situation if the person that died had been white there would be outrage at how a member of a minority was being railroaded through to satisfy, in a mob, vigilantes. >> a mob? >> this is mob justice. >> is there any evidence -- there's a mountain of eviden

how much of an impact will that have potentially as we saw in the o.j. case where many people believe there was a miscarriage of justice there. could we see a similar situation? >> i've given some thought to that and why the lawyers chose these particular jurors. to sit in the courtroom and be a lawyer in that trial, even though you're not speaking to the jurors directly, to see them and how they interact with others, you get a sense of who they are and how they react to the evidence. we can't really see that, or i can't, so i'm just not sure. why these six individuals as opposed to some others? you know, a lot of people will say the case was lost by the prosecution, the racial makeup of the jury is a factor. >> one aspect is a lot of people in florida have guns. at least four members of the six women jury have family members who own guns and they may believe if you own one you have a right to defend yourself. >> having a family member who owns a gun is a lot different from owning a gun ones self. >> o.j. simpson got in a whole heap of new trouble. what

i thought o.j. did it. i still do. believe prosecution case of marcia clark and christopher darden. the jury didn't. to the surprise of a lot of people including some sitting right near him that night, that day he was acquitted and set free. again, i was stunned by the verdict. especially after hearing that it had been arrived at after just two hours. i never changed my mind an what happened that night in los angeles. mr. simpson got convicted of that other charge out in las vegas, i figured it brought with it compensating justice, if you will. i don't hold it against people who don't like verdicts. my father was a court reporter for 30 years. if you're guilty of something, get yourself a jury. if you're innocent, try to get a judge to hear the case. he or she will be your best bet to see the truth of what actually happens. so we're at it again. questioning a jury's judgment. i always thought that a judgment in the o.j. case was really about the bad old history of the l.a. police. hopefully it did some good, that judgm

>> not even o.j..hing that's probably the most frustrating, there's a lot of independent thinkers among black leaders, there's thomas sole, shelby steel, larry elder, allen west. the problem isn't with blacks listening to them, it is white liberal media who mock them, when a black leader comes out, says something about personal responsibility or whatever, they're the ones always attacking. it is the media that's the issue. >> the selective outrage. also, if you look at something like why get mad about the trayvon martin piece and not about something else. i mentioned, i wanted to pull up yesterday that the public high school, high school graduation rate, so for black americans, nationwide, it is 66.1%. that is what the real crime is. that leads to everything else. why do you get involved in drugs? it goes back to what martin luther king junior talked about, which is education. so hopefully if they're going to have this big protest next saturday night, then can they then pit it and figure out a way to c

o.j. simpson go free? he's pleading for his freedom, up for parole. >>> also is "american idol" the tv program racist? there is a new lawsuit filed on behalf of ten former contestants, all of them african-american claiming just that. is there a double standard on one of the country's top programs? >>> but first this morning to that admission from a juror in the george zimmerman trial. juror b-29 says zimmerman got away with murder because the jury couldn't convict him under florida state law. pamela brown following the story for us here in new york. good morning. >> good morning to you, chris. tgif. >> thank you. >> the second juror to come forward in the george zimmerman trial is not only speaking out but also showing her face. an interview with abc news juror b-29 talked about her feelings about the not guilty verdict and why she owes trayvon martin's parents an apology. >> george zimmerman got away from murder but you can't get away from god. >> reporter: anguish and apologetic. the jur

i thought o.j. did it, and i still do. the prosecution case of marcia clark and christopher darden. that day he was acquitted and set free. again, i was stunned by the verdict, especially after hearing that it had been arrived at after just two hours. in los angeles, when mr. simpson got convict to have had other charge in las vegas i figured it brought with it some compensating justice, if you will. so i don't hold it against people who don't like verdicts. my father was a court reporter in philadelphia for 30 years told my brothers and i if you're guilty of something, get yourself a jury because you can never predict a jury. if you're innocent, try to get a judge to hear the case. he or she will be your best bet to see the truth of what actually happened. so we're at it again, questioning a jury's judgment. i always thought the judgment in the o.j. case was really about the bad old history of the l.a. police. hopefully it did some good, that judgment. the verdict i didn't share. well, maybe this one will achieve the same

it didn't have the same kind of influence or power as this one did. >> the o.j. tria again, i was -- was i in law school? it was a long time ago. there was some overwhelming evidence -- i was in the d.a.'s office. there was some overwhelming evidence. i remember where i was. >> you've had such a long career. >> we all went into the chief assistant's office to watch that verdict. it was pretty heavv. there was a lot about finding him gaeltd and the fact -- this is wha annoys me most about the o.j. simpson case. how fast that jury came back. like four hours. that much responsibility, take your time. take a nap. think about it. say a prayer before you reach a verdict. >> right. which was what was nice about thisury. they really did take their time. so it's unfortunate they're getting such backlash now. >> the backlash is almost -- it is predictable. it is expected. and each one of those -- the jurors have, it seems to me as one juror in particular has revealed their thinking, their approach. i mean, she's aery bright woman, a conscientious person. it's clear. i thin

casey kim said, how is o.j. doing?goldman, nicole brown and their families, too? look, it's kind of hard to argue with some of that logic a little bit considering her dad became really well known and infamous in some circles for helping o.j. get acquitted back in the mid '90s. >> absolutely. that was probably the last high, high profile case that was this racially charged, probably since, you know in our generation that i can remember. >> rodney king, o.j. and trayvon martin. those have been the three big ones. kim has not responded yet. we'll see if she does. but the zimmerman fallout continues. >> just go back to being a mama and -- okay. >>> all right. >> happy news now. >> happy news. "forbes" just published its list of hollywood's highest paid actors. coming in at number one is -- drum roll please -- robert downey jr. there he is with an estimated $75 million in earnings. he is your number one pick. rounding out the top three is channing tatum at number two and hugh jackman at number three. oh, what a good life th

. >> o.j. speaks. o.j.ut the botched memorabilia speech he gave. >>> plus a potentially historic legal case. as a bicyclist pleads guilty to manslaughter. what he did, and what it's going to cost him next. . >>> the pope's on the road. the pope's international trip is proving to be a nightmare for his security detail, anyway. the pope in his pope mobile with the windows open. people running down the street after it. even handing the pope babies to kiss. the people's pope walking through one of the country's poorest slums. an area also considered to be among brazil's most violent. swarms of followers gathering as the pope walks through crowds into a muddy soccer field to deliver a speech. as we reported here, there have been major security issues all week. on monday the pope's driver apparently took a wrong turn straight into a mb scene. that is one day off military officials say police found a small explosive near a shrine the pope was scheduled to visit. and in yet another test of security, officials were

rrn o.j. simpson simpson back in court yet again this time he is asking the nevada parole board to reduce his sentence. he was convicted of storm nothing a vegas hotel rom and taking thousands of memor billia. he served four years for the crime. joining us is a former prosecutor and doug burn, a former prosecutor himself. welcome to you both. >> tell us about the parole hearing. he will not walk out tomorrow. >> you have concurrent sentences and that is a huge factor in calculating the way the sentence is going to run. part of his was ordered to run consecutive in simple england. he is applying for parole, he can't be released until two where are -- 2017. >> his attorney believes he will be on the minimum end of what he will have to serve. nboats 33 years which is the maximum. it is something they will work toward and that is the analysis. how is he doing when he is behind bars? he is a model prisoner and that will work to his benefit in this application. he was sentenced severely. 9- 33 years

the man in court with her joins me and divides america, issues of race, class, not trayvon martin, o.j. s simpson was acquitted. have we not learned anything. >>> star jones who said you'll never get a perfect witness in any case, especially this one. >>> i want to begin with day seven of the trial america is talking about and debating. mart mart martin is live. what is your overview of how today went? >> reporter: well exactly right. it was a day that had something for everybody in this case, whether the defense, prosecution or sitting on the sidelines rooting each. i think one of the highlights had to be the medical examiner that came and went on the stand. that's dr. valerie rao and she had very interesting exchanges, both with the prosecution and with the defense. but i want to start off with when she was being asked by the defense about were there any injuries to trayvon martin, his body, that was a particular paint. were there injuries to his hands, listen. >> those are cuts, abrasions because cut suggests force injury and actually where the skin is rubbed off on trayvon martin's

i hope there is civil litigation as there was in the o.j.nd i hope that eric holder has the intestinal fortitude to go forward, but i haven't seen much backbone from eric holder so far, quite frankly. >> ironic to have an african-american president and african-american head of the d.o.j. and not have this case-- >> i agree but it doesn't mean that they're going to do it. >> new york has a precedence. there was a police officer who choked to death anthony baez who was playing football in the streets with his brother. he was acquitted by a judge but then found guilty in a civil rights case as well. there is a precedence for this. >> i've just been five years wanting eric holder to be stronger do stuff and i don't have a lot of confidence he'll do it now. >> the administration is somewhat selective in what they choose to really promote and show fire. i have to--i agree. i have to think african-american president, and mind you, i don't think the president's statement was as strong as i would have liked it to have been. >> john: diplomatic. >> bu

whether o.j.a sudden we have white america crying in the streets. they're not crying in the streets for you know, a young man a day before he's supposed to get married where he's shot and killed, or a 17-year-old kid with a bag of skittles that was shot and killed. but now they're crying in the streets because somebody of means, o.j. used the system against them that they use all of the time. that's equally with the o.j. >> stephanie: it was on the heels of the rodney king trials as well. with any person with a set of eyes, how could they be acquitted? stephanie in pennsylvania. you're on "the stephanie miller show," hi steph. >> caller: yes, good morning. i have a question. now that zimmerman has been found not guilty, is there any way that the parents can file a civil suit? >> stephanie: it sounds like they're going to, and the justice department may do something as well. >> caller: my last thing, what is the matter with florida instead of kansas? >> stephanie: somebody does need to write that b

jury deliberations in the cases of casey anthony, o.j.pson and scott peterson lasted from just hours to a full week. do these tell us anything what is happening inside the zimmerman jury room? will carl? >> when it comes to the deliberations, short, long, does it really matter. do they have an impact? when you look at some of those recent case, take jodi arias, that trial lasted for five months and in the end, the jury took 16 and a half hours to convict her of killing travis alexander. it took nine hours to convicted conrad murray for michael jackson's death. murray was jackson's personal doctor. in another case, jury took a fuel week and seven days to convict scott peterson of murdering his wife. one thing was clear when it came to all those juries and in fact the jury in the zimmerman case, that nothing is clear at all. anything can happen. >> anybody tells you they know how this jury is thinking or what they are doing is making it up. there is no way to tell. just because they are sequestered doesn't mean they are going to come back f

of course, the o.j. simpson trial was one where the civil charges against o.j. simpson were successful. anyway, the burden of proof to win a case in such a matter is less stringent than in criminal cases. it's easier to win in civil case. a preponderance of evidence standard is used, which means the greater weight of evidence must favor the plaintiff, but it's a much lower bar than what the prosecution had to prove beyond a reasonable doubt in the criminal case. because criminal prosecution is now off the table, zimmerman could be forced to testify about himself. what's the next chapter for george zimmerman and the martin family? for the latest on this, we're going to go to nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. pete, when you're looking at this coldly, what do you see? >> i see unlikely -- they're unlikely. here's the reason. the closest fit under federal law would the 4-year-old federal hate crimes law. and what it says is for a person to be punished under the federal system for this kind of a crime, you have to show that bodily injury was the result, w

we continue to talk about the o.j. simpson trial as one of those moments in america where we had to talk about race in a big way. we talk about the whole rodney king situation. of course, the importance of television and viral videos there. is this trayvon martin moment that we all lived through together going to be one that we continue to talk about for decades as a marker of where we are at this point in history? >> well, i think it will be -- yes, it's a marker of 2012. i mean, o.j. was at a certain point. rodney king trial at another place. i mean, i think this does become one of those signs on the road. i'm not sure if we look back at all these things whether we can see this road being one that's, you know, the straight and narrow that's going forward. there are a lot of real complexities about this case and a lot of complexities about how it was covered that doesn't, you know, make one think, oh, just look how far we've gone since o.j. i'm not sure we've gone that far. >> definitely. >> all right, robert thompson

o.j. simpson's blood is all over the crime scene. her blood was inside the bronco. >> no question -- >> there is a case there is a lot of physical evidence -- >> exact. >> i this is all circumstantial evidence here. >> eric, this is the shift. it was like -- the media created this -- dichotomy, black versus white when -- we realized that he was hispanic and it is like -- what if zimmerman was -- what p -- what if -- trayvon was white. you have to switch and switch -- >> called him a white his panic. >> when the argument doesn't work -- i want to -- mark o'mara talking to the media about how the media had affected the outcome or tried to -- outcome of the trial. >> you guys, the media, he was like patient on an operating table with a mad scientist were committing experiments on him and had no anesthesia. he didn't know why he was turned in to this monster. you guys had a lot to do with it. >> he just called them out. using a twisted metaphor. >> seems like both of the attorneys -- i got that. west, very passionate about george zimmerm

jury watches like this brings us back to casey anthony, o.j. simpson and scott peterson.n los angeles with more. will? >> reporter: hi, heather, zimmerman jury is under a lot of pressure, very similar to juries in other high profile cases. 1995, o.j. simpson had a jury that took about four hours to find him not guilty for the murders of nicole brown simpson and ronald goldman, so fact the jury time was faster than the white bronco chase. a separate jury took 13 hours to convict him of armed robbery and kidnapping. >> casey anthony was accused of murdering her daughter. the jury took under 11 hours to find her not guilty but it didn't mean she necessarily felt she was innocent. most recently jodi arias a jury convicted her, convicted her of killing travis alexander. in each case jurors were thinking about things that came as a complete surprise to the public. >> perfect example, scott peterson case, there was a juror we named her strawberry short cake. she was one of the ones that said after if you look the bed the way it is made. a manmade that bed in the master bedroom.

do you feel as a motive, say the o.j. simpson case? >> i don't want to compare anything to the simpson case. i really don't talk about the simpson case. this is a highly strung, divisive case. it is divided among african-americans and caucasians, unfortunately. i just hope that people believe in the jury system. that they don't judge people on moral guilt. they judge people on legal guilt. if they do, and they believe in our system of justice, then hopefully we will have a peaceful ending of this. >> final question, robert. briefly if i may, stand your ground law which hasn't been used in this case but could have been at one stage, does that have any place really in a modern, civilized society? is it not just an excuse for almost every gang banger thug in america to say, hey, i was just acting in self defense. >> we will see the opposite side of that in the oscar pistorius case where in south africa you can not use deadly force unless deadly force is used upon you. so i agree with you. >> fascinating. thank you very much. come back and

they wanted -- the media wanted this generation's o.j. trial. they wanted another o.j. trial which didn't bode well for the country and didn't bode well for a lot of people. >> whatever side you're on now based on watching the trial, that's one thing. at the beginning twh it came out, it was embarrassing to see the way people were reacting. congressmen coming out and wearing hood is on the floor. indicting george zimmerman with zero evidence. the media called him a white hispanic because they wanted to create this race situation with white against black, which was ridiculous. that was a term created for this trial. and so it was embarrassing at the beginning. bob has proved that people aren't willing to change their opinions up until now. but we'll see what the defense -- >> where is al sharpton now? where are the people that were adamant about this. they're not in the courtroom. they've moved on to other causes but they still remain entrenched in their opinion despite the fact that the evidence is laying out exactly what happened that particular evening. all the eviden