and it was after the application and at that timeus was long approved. darril issa on oversight reform joins us now live. chairman, thank you for your time today. thank you, shannon and this is an extension of the investigation and not only did groups never get approved it appears that there was additional scrutiny ordered for the organizations even after a few were granted the 501 c4 status. >> the clar both policy institute a long- time institution in the dc, game. it was not brand new tea party applications and they are telling a story in a critical time in 2012 put to the wringer and having spent a lot of time and money to answer new questions from the irs. >> exactly, shannon. one thing your listeners need to understand. you don't get a tax deduction for giving to them. it is not where you get a write off or charity. they simply don't pay taxes on the ref now that they are given to do their work. many people don't understand, it should not be that tough to get as a status. it is a advocacy and education organizations which both of these groups were.