evaluation of journalism over the last decade, increasingly what we think of as news is really unedited, unreflected upon public relations, either statements by official sources or just press releases that are run uncritically in the news media because they don't have any journalists to cover it. it's a 5 to 1 or 4 to 1 ratio. so we think we're getting a lot of news but, in fact, we're really getting propaganda. >> host: one more question on journalism, mr. mcchesney, before we move on to some ore topics -- other topics. what do you think of the role as the ago regray to have such as the drudge report or huffington post in. >> guest: i think they play a very important role. i think aggregators can be like editors. they can sift through a lot of material, so if you find one you trust, you can count on them to save you a lot of the work you normally do. so i think that's a very important role in a news media system, in a media system. but my concern, again, to beat my dead horse is i want them to have something more to aggregate more than opinion pieces about pr releases. >> host: this is "the communi