emission criteria reduction programs so those -- the reason i bring that to your attention is the carl moyer program is a funning source for the projects you're interested in here. the one measure, the assembly measure did pass the assembly recently. >> which page. >> ab 8 is on page one. of the matrix. it recently passed the assembly just before the deadline date for measures to pass. the look alike bill s and we'll see which one gets down to the governor. i have a high degree of faith that unless somebody puts something in either one of the bills that the governor objects to this is something that the administration agrees to. we're halfway into the legislative recess. this is an unusual year. the assembly completed their work and took a recess last week and that extends through august 5 however the senate's recess doesn't start until this friday so there's an odd situation where we will have committee meetings in either house when the other house the out of session, meaning those members have to travel to sacramento to present their bills. it is recklations we're working under and we're a

. >> bill moyers: you know, campbell told me that that was the great appeal to him of carl jung.that jung wrapped his psychology into the stories of what had actually happened in his life and in the lives of the people sitting in front of him. and if he could get somebody into a story, he knew that person would discover who he was more likely than if he dealt with just abstract ideas. >> marshall ganz: boy, it is so true. it's the particular. see, we often think, we associate understanding with abstraction. it's just the opposite. >> bill moyers: that's right. >> marshall ganz: the particular then becomes the portal on the transcendent, because it's through the particular experience that i'm able then to communicate the emotional content of the value that is moving me. you know, my father was a chaplain in the american army. and we lived in germany after the war for three years. you know, my fifth birthday party was what -- he worked a lot with what were called dps. >> bill moyers: displaced persons. >> marshall ganz: well, my fifth birthday party was in a camp of, a dp camp of a