painless procedure and the cardiologists associations have now put out a statement saying it is not euthanasia, it is not assisted suicide, it is legal to have a pacemaker disabled. unfortunately that statement came very late in the process for us. so a scenario where medicine is still kind of groping for answers and doesn't know how to discuss these questions and we as a culture, we don't know how to do it yet. >> katy butler, what did your parents, what did the end of life care cost? >> interesting question. neither of them had highly expensive deaths. if you look at my father at last five or six years you get probably $80,000 worth of pacemaker, that kind of stuff. my mother on the other hand close to the end of her life refuse to open heart surgery and then she had a heart attack and the doctors again said let's do open heart surgery. she was 84 at that point. if we had done the surgery's they recommended it would have cost medicare, 80 to $100,000 but she declined all that. i would say probably 10 or $20,000 death because she was in hospice, she declined most extraordinary intervention so

homosexual marriage, the rights of abortion and, perhaps, even in fact that the side and you have euthanasia, like to death. they favor of big government and declared that it should be secular and secularizing. that is, they mean by this that it should hold the basic worldview of secular liberalism and established by force of law. that as we know means two things. first, government should drive religion, especially christianity out of the public square and into the privatized in zero of the other side of the great wall of separation. second, the government should impose a predictable array of liberal moral positions and everyone. also in the belief system and got their own cause moscow view. the big picture, the way they understand the universe, nature and human nature is essentially in self-conscious the dumbest. treats them as one more kind of drama -- animal. the distinctive view of what life-and-death far. simply chemical activity in the debt is deceasing of chemical activity. that means that liberalism will have a particular way they did use politics. i call this in worshiping the state

euthanasia? do we dare? no. i was talking about him living here. here? with us? i mean, how? we don't have the room. i mean, sara's gonna be in the spare bedroom, right? yeah. well, there's no other room. i mean, there's this room, but this room is-- oh, no, no, no, no, no, this is my safe place. i'm safe here, remember? did you see his face when he talked about going into a retirement home? he looked so depressed. d-d--is that what you got, depressed? see, i didn't get depressed. no, i read him more like a nervous, fun energy, like--like a kid going to summer camp for the first time. it's scary, but, hey, there's arts and crafts. [crying] oh, whoa, come on, don't do that, don't. i'm sorry. i just--i feel so guilty about my dad, but i feel like if i help him, it hurts you, and i don't want to hurt you. i love you. come on, carrie, don't cry. come on, when you cry, i... oh, god.. [crying] oh, god. he can live here. it's ok. oh, honey, are you sure? yeah. this room's stupid, anyway. honey, you're the best. thank you so much. let's go tell dad. oh, god. are you ok? i need a few

and is kittens have been adopted in the past 10 years and that's a significant improvement to our euthanasia and live release rates in animal control, in addition, they do support us through community event, they allow us to use their space for adoption, outreach events and they have also increased our profile in the community. they have consistently referred people to us, sent us to adopt animals through us, they've made people aware of us who had never heard of us prior to their efforts in the community, so i will say they do in fact support the community outside of the marina district and i hope they can do the same for the marina as well. >> thank you. >> president fong, commissioners, my name is harold hugasian, i am a past president of the district merchants, i served three separate terms as the president, i've been doing business in the marina for 36 years, as a property owner on lombard, we do need a lot of help, we really do, a vacancy like that is really detrimental. the big box is a herring, it's a red herring because there are only i believe two other spots on lombard street that

be painless killed in the cardiologists association has now cut out a statement saying it is not euthanasia or assisted suicide is moral and legal to have a disabled. and fortunate leaf -- unfortunately that statement came late in the process for us but it is where medicine is groping for answers and does not know how to discuss these questions and maybe as a culture we don't know how to do it yet. >> host: the katy butler what did your parents, what did the end of life care cost? >> guest: the very interesting question and neither had highly expensive deaths may be $80,000 with my father with a pacemaker or that kind of stuff. my mother very close to the end of her life refused to open heart surgery then she had a heart attack and the doctors said let's do open-heart surgery. she was 84 at that point. if we had done that surgery would have cost to declare about $86,000 though maybe it was 10 or 20,000 because she was a hospice in declined most extraordinary intervention is a we got a lot of social work, the healing, reassurance that we did not get high-tech expensive you title painful inte

the cardiologist association has now put out a statement saying that it is not euthanasia and it's not assisted suicide. it's perfectly moral and legal to have a pacemaker disabled. unfortunately that statement came very late in the process for us. i think it's an area where madison is still kind of groping for answers and doesn't really know how to even discuss these questions and maybe we as a culture, we don't really know how to deal with it yet. >> host: katy butler what did your parents vote your mom and your dad had died, what did there and of life care cost? >> guest: it's a very interesting question. if you look at my father's last five or six years of life you have $80,000 worth of pacemakers and that kind of thing. my mother on the other hand very close to the end of her life refused open-heart surgery and then she had a heart attack and that doctors again said let's do open heart surgery. >> host: how old was she? >> guest: she was a before that point and if we had done the surgery they recommended it would have cost medicare 80 to $100,000 but she declined all of that. i wo

they say at the the end of life, in this debate about euthanasia is no longer a debate about euthanasia debate about mercy killing. it's a debate about allowing people to i die. but what they're talking about is not allowing people to die. it's about taking a course of action which takes someone who is not dying and as a result of the course of action the doctor takes, the person dies. now, in my view, that is killing. that is very different from not prolonging the process dying that's taking place already. the moral distinction absolutely crucial. but increaseingly, the doctor saw in the 1980s even at that stage he saw doctors were no longer able to make distinction. and ask as a result, he was -- and as a result, he was worried that doctors would turn into killers and would pretend to be simply helping people to die. that was only one example. there's a whole host of other examples to do with genetics, genetic engineering, as i say, test tube babies, how long ago that seems. a variety of creme mas. but her is vived that the erosion of moral values was going create -- if we weren't ver

caller: is there anyone who will stand up and take notice euthanasia or any kind of early death? catholic, so i am definitely against that, any type of early death type of thing. is there any candidate who will step up against that? >> have you seen any candidate that you like? if there is anyone out there, someone in politics or a civic leader, even in your state or area. i'm not sure. i don't know. i'm wondering if there is anybody out there, but i hope there is. i'm not sure. >> let's use some of our viewers can help you out. pennsylvania, democratic collar, terry, hello. caller: good evening. i like martin o'malley from maryland and here in pennsylvania, we have an sharp,y general, she is and i think, i'm hoping, she gives pat toomey a run for the senate seat here in the future. >> when his pat toomey up for reelection? 2018? he's two years past the 2016 election. i think she will be ready to go by then. the republicans, you can tell by the guys calling in here tonight, they just don't get it. that couple switching who are 61 and 67, they don't like the democratic arty anymor

and interchangeability of homosexual gay marriage, the right to abortion, perhaps even you have euthanasiathat is from life to death. liberals also favor big government and declare it should be secular and secularized. they mean by this that it should hold the basic worldview of secular liberalism and establish it by force of law. that means two things. first that the government should drive religion, especially christianity out of the public square and into the privatized ghetto on the other side of the great wall of separation. second, that the government should impose the predictable array of moral positions on everyone. and noting also that we have our own cosmological view, the big picture. human nature is self-consciously goblets. that is a reduces human beings to the matter of their bodies and treats them as one more kind of animal in no way distinct from other animals and it provides a distinct view of what life and death are. and that means that liberalism will have a particular way that abuse politics and i call this a soul is your politics. that is it simply defines human nature

sexes and the marriage in and the right to abortion and perhaps infanticide and of course you have euthanasia. that is the right to death. liberals favor of big government and declare that the government should be secular and secularizing. they mean by this that it should hold the basic worldview of his secular liberalism. that is we know means two things. first that the government's drive religion especially christianity out of the public square and into the privatized ghetto on the other side of the great wall of separation. second big government should impose the predictable array of liberal moral positions on everyone. now i would note also they have their own cosmological view. that is the big picture. the way they understand the universe, nature and human nature is essentially unselfconsciously godless and materialistic. it reduces human beings to the matter of their bodies. one more kind of animal distinct from other animals and provides the state view of what life and death are. life is simply chemical activity and death is the ceasing of chemical activity. that means that liberalism