who will do it if not governnt? private companies.bly don't know nearly half the people the federal government uses to fight wildfires work for private companies. it is a myth tt must be done by government and in some parts of america if your house catches fire it is a private business to put it out. how does this work? the house catches fire you put it out and send them a bill? >> k.k. a but they usually pay as they had time time-- subscribe to the services. john: when they buy homeowner's insurance decision not have coverage thatelps tlower the insurance rate in fact, the amount of money they save on insurance actually pays for the subscription fee plus they can pocket some. john: sometimes. if your use is worth $100,000 it is $100 per year it is a $300,00 house it is $320 per year and isaid cheaper than what other people pay in taxes? >> it is if yu look at t overall budget for doing three services of fire in the ems and security we are a lot steeper than most of the government. john: how can you be cheaper for the same work? >> we

lee the governnt or police officers have the right to use force a candy cane, a jail or shoots as if necessary. so that is why it is important we have the constitution it limits what the police can do but it'll always respect it. like most people they're happy to acquire more power in and buddy and increasingly in america they now use civil forfeiture law to take people's property even if not convicted of a crime. incentive to make accusations. toll so oklahoma officers drive around in the escalade that says this used to be a drug dealer's r. now it is ours. be able to keep stuff creates a temptation to get stuff. a district attorney's office in and texas bought the office margherita machine. "the new yorker" reports in texas police stop people for a routine traffic violations and if they ha money with them sometimes take them to a jail until they agree to give their money to the city and if they resist because they have kids of the car they will threaten to take the kids away turnover to child protective services. in cells like extortion. use of the port perturb lot is growing in 20

she is in the governnt may come after a company like yours and say no more encryption like this because they want access to everybody's e-mail? >> i think the answer is no, resoundingly no. companies have legitimate business needs to protect their data. as a matter of fact they are required to protect their dta and encrypt their data. the health care organizations, pci, process credit card transactions, so for that financial services. these laws mandate encryption. adam: as we wrap up, what you are saying is this will be a boom for your business. you are not store in the lavabit was. all you provide is encryption and you give the key belonging to the owner of the data so the government never deals with you, and hato go with the service. >> you're going to get better it. adam: you provide a lock that cannot be broken. in this case the government is going to the people who have the cloud. what you are saying is the government comes to the owner of the ta, me. i am protecting my data with your product but government will come to me and that is the way it should be. >> it is your data, yoon

this is creating frustration for the healthgency's and others with the federal governnt with the cdcof those in closed doors and have them promising more tranarency but that is what we have to this point, 400 cases a and it is spreading. turning to the acting irs commissioner to today mitted he was not cnge his current welfare plan to obamacare my next guest says we are of the 60 days away from implementatn at the time the administration says it is not ready about what is sure a trade representative. we now have from the house wa and means committee and also a member of the budget committee and a registered nurse for more than 40 years. great to he you with us civic figure for having me on. >> you heard them say that's is just for all of us peasants. >> this is a trade iraq with the acting commissioner to say at what anything to do with it. lou: 16,000 of the agents are supports -- suppose to we forcing obamacare. when will it dawn on everyone this is a mess and it's something better be done desperately? >> we had the hearing today to shed ght on a we have been looking after several

more so than the federal governnt and see what he will do. neil: is bankruptcy the answer?has like 21 emergency managers. this is not a surprise. >> terrible management. we should not give thea dime. i mean, anything. but to ge them money, it's going to fail. every time he has have had a bailout, it is just not right. neil: i wish we had more time, but we don't. this notion that this president let detroit go, i'm telling you it will t happen. it will be some sort of a rescue that yo will never melissa: i'm melissa francis and here's what's "money" tonight. the wage gap between ceo's and average workers is huge but should companies have to disclose just how wide it is? it is all about the power o money and steve forbes is here to weigh in. >>> plus san diego's mayor is sued by his own city. the sexual harrassment allegations are growing practically by the hour but can the city actually force him to pay his own legal bills? wait until you hear this one. >>> "who made money today?" they just got one of the world's most controversial billionaires in their corner. stay with us a

workers in congress as i understand it andow the office of personnel management says the governnt willpaying. you say,, before i go any further, maybe not. congress has to rulen this. it seems to me if your taking people out of the pot that should be paying in, doesn't that hurt taxpayers more? >> what happens is these are employees. the program runs. this is true of all federal workers. they pay 75 percent the premium, like anybody else, up to a certain aunt. the problem is not so much the money. the problem is that congress, like so many other place in this legislation justice of together job. it and know what they're redoing and in of wrigley kick themselves out of their o health plan. okay. fine. they've done a lot of other silly things because they did not pay attention. now they're the only ones that get a deal over. but the consequences for businesses, insurers, hospitals, unions. i mean, why don't they did a duul over? sohat they're trying to do is avoid wt really has to happen. gerri: you know why they don't want to do that. they're afraid busy developing flames. republicans,

we have heard different reports on what the governnt is doing. melissa: that's right.re were asked directly during a hearing, have you listened in on the phone calls and they said, we're not allowed to do that or we're not allowed to have that -- didn't say whether or not they've actually done it. >> you're right. but bear in mind, the same people complaining about the intrusion on civil liberties are going to be the first people to objective there is another major attack. so it's a balancing act. melissa: i know if it would be the first, but i underand what you're saying. in the case of the boston bomber, we were able to look into a room on one of the computers and see what was coming. at the same time, i don't want them working in my kids is the work of the computer. thank you. next on "money," forget a-rod losing money. we will tell you why the decision could be making money. major league baseball. wait until you hear this. plus jet blue kisses all coach brand goodbye. the discount airline is bringing first-class cabins. will it come at the expense of its most die-h

to the fbi,the cia or any other agency involved in the investigative effort or in his own libyan governnt, for that matter. he told another network that he hasn't been detained, he hasn't been questioned, even contacted by anyone investigating the terrorist attack. this after telling fox news way back last october, just two weeks after the attack, that he was at the consulate on september 11th directing traffic and assisting fellow brigade members. benghazi not the only obama white house scandal under discussion on capitol hill tonight. republicans on the house judiciary committee have called for a change ineadership at the top of the departmenof justice, declaring that attorney general eric holder was not truthful when he testified in regard to thejames rosen case. the report founddthat holder gave deceptive testimony to congress to provide cover for misleading testimony, trying to disguise his quote, clearly erroneous reading of the statute as a defect in the law. rosen's phone and e-mail records were seized by the departme of justice during an investigation into an alleged state depart

i think for both parties what they're wringing with, how far the governnt goes keeping us safe, democrats how far we go keeping us healthy. you get what i'm saying that will be a big topic in 2014. who has the edge? >> well, it will be a big topic. i don't think there is equivalency between the break in the ranks on the republican side versus the house side or excuse me the democratic side in the house. speaker boehner has a very difficult circumstance over there because he has a couple of groups in his caucus that feel very differently about these issues. but health care will be an issue in the coming election. mo memrs of the democratic caucus having voted for it feel very strongly and also i positive way about this new piece of legislation. neil: let moo ask you, senator dorgan, you are very astute with the pluses and minuses and, it appears at the time, memory serves me right you read it and quite aware of it, rest of premiums could go up to the, and mighh go down, hope springs eternal i guess. but i don't think many of your colleagues were. i think they were actually and genuinely su