but actually we were in wales, in betws-y-coed, wales and we had a group of people with us and we were... don francisco was singing with his guitar and drawing a crowd and then we had people that were on this tour that were going through the crowd and talking to people about their relationship with the lord and trying to get them to commit their lives to the lord and i just happened to be standing there and i heard one of the guys behind me witnessing to a woman and he says, you need to be born again and she didn't understand what being born again was. so he tried to explain it and she says well, what do i have to do? and he quoted this verse and he says you have to confess with your mouth the lord jesus, and believe in your heart that god hath raised him from the dead and you shall be saved. and this woman told him and says, i don't believe jesus did rise from the dead. i believe he was a good man but i believe he was a man. he died and he's dead. i don't believe jesus is alive from the dead, and this man who was trying to witness to her, he says well, just say it. you don't have to b