john kerry and president obama. health policy expert author of the book "beating obama care." thank you so much for joining us. lisa myers, the story surveys businesses across the country and they tell her they are cutting employees' hours to get them below the 29 hours in order to not have to provide health insurance. what do you say to that, mark? >> the company surveyed was subway. >> 20 businesses across the country. >> and small business. this only applies to businesses that employee more than 50 people. so these are medium-sized businesses, small family owned businesses aren't going to be affected by this. and, you know, this has been a republican talking point since the rollout of obama care. >> so you're saying it's a talking point and it's not true that if you have employees that were working more than 30 hours, that's not happening? >> sure. sure. and don't take my word for it. there's a senior vice president of the payroll company who points out that the costs, the administrative costs, costs of hiring retaining, attracting people, managing a large fleet of part-time staff will be prohibitive and many companie