now we have mark anthony neil, a professor of black popular culture in the department of african and african-american studies at duke university. thankful for joining us. >> good morning. >> since you were you were an academic in pop culture. how is martin luther king's king seen in pop culture >> far too many no this speech from the march on washington. there is so much depth in the speech, let alone what his career was. i think the march on washington was a culmination for something as opposed to being part of a larger protest. what what of pop culture has to do is open up a way to think more broadly about what this movement was and who dr. king was. we get a one-dimensional figure so often. >> to you personally, what was the movement? >> he was, martin luther king was a freedom fighter. the civil rights movement was a freedom struggle, a struggle for black freedom. it wasn't just about opening up spaces for folks to be able to sit on toilets along with white folks and to ride wherever they wanted on the bus but to open up opportunity in american society for anybody who wanted that