and paul slavin. >>> my name is anastasia [speaker not understood] and i'm talking about number 9 and number 10 or is it two together? >> two together. >>> two together, okay. so, first of all, i want to take issue with the statement that this nature of the [speaker not understood] program puts environmentalists against environmentalists. it's totally untrue. how can anybody who wants to craft 18,000-1/2 houses and mature little tree then count [speaker not understood]. how can such person call himself an environmentist? right now department of environment, which is not doing a very good job, is spelling out the proposal for greening san francisco, planting more trees. at the same time there is the program which is going to kill 18-1/2 thousand trees, and now what you're saying it's doing is using herbicides. i'm complaining about those herbicides in natural areas. i didn't even know they were natural areas provide [speaker not understood]. it's more and more. 300% increase in tier 1 and tier 2 herbicides and i am not [speaker not understood] by now, but [speaker not understood] linke