and then ross perot finally arrived, and perot just came booming into the office. he's quite a presence anyway -- he just takes up a whole room -- and introduced himself and issued a barrage of questions to all of us without waiting for any answers. and then he and nixon retreated to the office for a private talk. c-span: here's a quote that came out of one of these sessions. the former president -- this isn't the one. there was a quote about ross perot, if we can go to that quote: "perot -- can you believe this guy? he's such an egomaniac. a debate with him would be a gd circus." >> guest: well, nixon believed that, when ross perot first entered the race, that he would be a good participant in the race, that he would make a positive contribution because he was such a colorful character. and nixon thought, "well, he can galvanize the race. he'll go out there. he's plain speaking. he relates well to people. people will take to him. and even though there's no way he can win the general election in november, he can spice up the race and perhaps make bush and clinton b

does that mean possibly and since i was so involved with that that it's possible for a modern day ross perot to emerge. i guess if you're a billionaire you can i don't think you can do it from the grassroots i think that you know and i remember when ross perot became a name and i think you helped him along that you gave a fair shot a lot of on your program which was you know i'm usual he didn't get you know the other networks automatic but he got as he got along pretty well but i think it's money talked you know i think it does make a difference if you have the money but i don't think our system lends itself to that if anybody comes to agreeing century with what i'm saying that the parties aren't a whole lot different we don't have much of a democratic process left you know we go overseas saying you're going to be good democrats and you're going to have elections and if you don't elect the right guy we're not going to support them. at the same time you know the competition here getting on ballots and getting credibility and getting in debates it's really pretty difficult and the process cont

. >> oh, ross perot. >> ross perot. i'm sorry. ross perot. i mean, every single candidate has come through. even christine o'donnell. you give them all -- i'm not here to judge. you tell us, you know, you can hang by your own rope if you want to. so consequently you nurture those relationships. >> when they sit down, when a george w. bush sits down as a candidate for the first time with you, do you get a feeling -- have you had feelings once in a while where you're sitting there going i think he's the one who's going to make it all the way? did you have that feeling with -- >> i don't know if i can say who's going to make it all the way. there are some i don't think they're ever going to make it. i never quite got the rick perry thing. that one -- >> you never fell for that? >> no. it didn't -- i never got that sense of gravitas, you know. >> because all the pros, all the great political analysts thought oh, when rick perry gets in there look out, here he comes. >> no, i never thought that. it was just too narrow-minded for me. whether it was

type charts, along before ross perot was doing it. >> a creative tax cut, creating more jobs and incomely more revenue. and the right time for that time to is no, in the an sense of an economic crisis today, and if the job is to be done in a response way, january 1963. church -- such a bill will be presented next year and will include a top to bottom cut in both corporate and personal income taxes. it will include long-needed tax reform that logic and equity demands, and it will base that cut in taxes to take effect as of the start of next year. january 1963. the billions of dollars this bill will place in the hands of the consumers, and our businessmen, will have both immediate and permanent benefits to our economy. every dollar released from taxation, that is spent or invested, will help create a new job and a new salary, and these new jobs and salaries can create other jobs and other salaries. >> one step above all is essential. the enactment this year of a substantial reduction and revision in federal income taxes. -- [applause] >> or it is increasingly clear to those in government,

and ross perot on that issue you take to protect workers you have to do it every country does this except this is what you are based on your lazy to change to mentally since the reagan era so i do agree that many of these jobs are going to come back home because especially in the last thirty years the markets have changed so that the part the salaries are going to be as low as what they were they used to be paying people in for our country how do you. know absolutely that is ghana did not want people to be one of their poor people that's not what i said their standard of living has increased so that it's actually more competitiveness lower so that everyone has to do not that's a trick because it's not going to be that outsourced jobs and what's happened is that we could no longer find a u.s. citizen to do the particular job and we've had to actually have some of the people to overseas doing it they're actually being paid what they would be paid here they just have a skill set we can't find in the united states i actually have staff for the position so it's one particular position where as

party and they have been some independent candidates and i've been responsible for people like ross perot and others who've come along and made a dent but basically very little attention is paid because everyone knows that they have no chance of winning so they don't gain a lot of attention so i felt that these people deserved it so when i was asked to moderate the paddle among these candidates these third party candidates who are you know not going to win but have something to say i thought it's important to be heard i totally believe in free speech i hate censorship in all forms i don't like to see people blocked out of things so i thought it was important to do i was very glad to do it all right we're having a short break now and then we'll ask larry wanting to take same and writing in power seems to. me like. it's a. pleasure to have you with us here on our t.v. today i wrote a researcher. and . this is the media lead us so we leave that maybe. by the same motions to the play your party there's a good. news that no one is as good with the guests that you deserve answers from. politics

party and they have been some independent candidates and i've been responsible for people like ross perot and others who've come along and made a dent but basically very little attention is paid because everyone knows that they have no chance of winning so they don't gain a lot of attention so i felt that these people deserved it so when i was asked to moderate the paddle among these candidates these third party candidates who you know and i'm going to win but have something to say i thought it's important to be heard i totally believe in free speech i hate censorship in all forms i don't like to see people blocked out of things so i thought it was important to do those very glad to do it all right we're having a short break now and then we'll ask larry what intimidate same that brought in power same stance on. most of these voices the couple of the law for violence or thefts. but we broke the window climbed in going try to start it. don't we pushed it a little way in here we were drunk. consumed with you're an alcoholic. really all of them are homeless orphans with no money or relatives.

ross perot made the deficit a national priority. bill clinton comes in.ys, we're going to tackle the deficit, do it by slightly raising taxes on the wealthy and it set off this sort of popular revolt. >> well, 1.2% of the population? they all lived in my district. >> bryn mar. >> but it was fascinating for me. i had said over and over again i'm not going to be a read my lips candidate because i didn't know what was going to happen when i got down there. we went down with him. it was his most important piece of legislation. we didn't know that it was going to create 23 million jobs, that it was going to create the largest sustained period of economic growth since world war ii. we did not know that. but, in fact, it did. but we knew it had to pass. all day long on the -- on the floor that day, republicans were saying, we know it has to pass, not one of us will vote for it. walked in that night and they were high-fiving saying they didn't have the votes. and a lot of the democrats were saying they were going to switch. i'm thinking, wow. now, when the presid

billionaires i agree ninety nine point five percent of them are not that way but there are this is a ross perot strategy it's only yeah i mean he had almost twenty percent of americans i was here i mean he was basically just saying free trade is and you've got to fight fire with fire means big money in trenches the two parties we need substantial big money. light and billionaires and a step forward i'm going to compiling a list and i'm going to release it in a few weeks. in or in accordance with certain criteria i'm not saying they're going to do it i'm saying because of who they are and what they've done and how much they have and wealth and power to kill if they are that they should consider it because the country's been into the pits and the other to the other is to your question there is a what can start breaking it up is to. organize and you can start slowly congress watchdog groups in every congressional district you can start with one hundred people and then go to five hundred and going to one thousand and they support full time offices and they have like a ten point agenda and they conn

this is the first town hall debate between ross perot, george bush, and candidates bill clinton. staying in georgia here, we go to martin, who is on our republican line. georgia. hi. call.. you for taking my long listener, first-time caller. >> i really do appreciate what c-span does for the cable networks. it is hard to find something of an intellectual level throughout , and the channels things like bees debates, they give us listeners -- i am a i enjoy tv all day, and i am a republican. this democratic debate, i think it was excellent. information lot of about the big apple, so i wish them the best of luck this november, and we will hold it down down in the south. thank you very much for taking my call. a story nearby new york city. hi, jake. you are on the air. go ahead. >> thank you. i think personally, and i think -- and thankhink c-span. it could go either way. independent. there is a lot from what we have seen today, and none of them really qualified to be mayor of new york. new york needs--we have got so many problems, especially with bloomberg who made the city like his

ross perot number one with a fortune of $4.3 billion. hillary clinton who ran for the democratic nomination in 2008, has a net worth of $100 million. putting her in the number sixth spot along with her husband, former president bill clinton. wealth x combined the net worth of the clinton family to demonstrate the potential financial clout for hillary clinton's presidential campaign if she chooses to run in the 2016 race. also on wealth x list, steve forbes, john kerry, mitt romney and al gore. some latest headlines on c-span radio. >> several types of bullying that the left loves to engage in, their favorite racial bullying. the reason for that is the left's philosophy is based almost solely and completely at this point on the idea that they stand up for victimized groups. everything they do is a stand up on behalf of victimized minority. doesn't matter if you're a minority, they're standing up for you. what that means if we oppose their policies, the logic is we hate blacks, gays and jews and women. that is the philosophy. >> the editor

we were worried a few years ago that ross perot was going to buy it but i think we're safe. >> bill:hat do you think about that sale of "the washington post"? >> i didn't know what to think until i saw dan ball, senior political reporter for "the post" and he thought it was pretty good. then bob woodward said i think this is a good thing. i don't know why but maybe we're the new era and you know what? it is certainly better than having some partisan strongly opinionated person in a direction where a lot of people wouldn't want to go. >> bill: the word around washington that i've heard from most friends is at least it wasn't rupert murdoch. >> i was kind of getting there. >> bill: i thought i would help you out. tell us about wendy davis. does she have a chance? any democrat have a chance of getting elected governor in texas? >> you know, that's why you play the super bowl. that's why you run these elections. sure, somebody has a chance. certainly someone like her with this sudden, compelling life story and burst of stardom has some chance but it would be very, very difficult. you got

this is a little bit off subject, but i have been independent since ross perot ran for president. would like to know, why, and how do we change it, that the independents can vote in the primaries? i have not been able to vote in the primaries for a long time. i do not think our representatives can do this all by themselves. i believe the american citizens have to get more involved. if the representatives go back to the basics and give the american people what they are asking for, we can do leaps and bounds in the 21st century. that is all i have to say. >> thanks. this tweet is from sasha talking about the utah governor. someone had mentioned the utah governor. -- a couple more here. this one says -- lastly, this one is from kenneth the gop is launching a rising stars program. we will show you some of that earlier -- we showed you some of that earlier. he writes the project is the brainchild -- here are some of the panelists from earlier today at that rising stars meeting. >> saying something offensive, that is plastered all over the news. that ends up being what is "our position.

where is ross perot? they bellied in the curve yesterday.evel with flying colors. now sit at 1.65, 1.66. so that is pretty much what many traders are looking at down here while everybody else is with their thesaurus trying to come through the mints. >> thank you for that. let's go to robert bharbara. what do you make of these numbers? >> i think it's what didn't happen this year. the last two years, we'd have improvement in the spring and a fade in the middle of the year. this year the claims went 375 to 3.50 that. ry now down to 3.30 averaged out. i think it's better this year at this time than it was over the last two. >> any implications for the taper? >> yeah, i think the bond fwoes from 160 to 2.50. i think that was all because the economy was okay. maybe the taper explains 40 basis points, but people were hunkering down for real problems. you have the sequester and the belief it would be as bad as the fiscal cliff. it was the dog that didn't bark. the real question is what was the bond doing at 1.60. not why it got to 2.5. >> anything

this is a little bit off subject, but i have been independent since ross perot ran for president. i would like to know, why, and how do we change it, that the independents can vote in the primaries? i have not been able to vote in the primaries for a long time. do not think our representatives can do this all by themselves. i believe the american citizens have to get more involved. if the representatives go back to the basics and give the american people what they are asking for, we can do leaps and bounds in the 21st century. that is all i have to say. >> thanks. talkinget is from sasha about the utah governor. someone had mentioned the utah governor. -- a couple more here. this one says -- lastly, this one is from kenneth -- the gop is launching a rising stars program. we will show you some of that someer -- we showed you tha of that earlier. he writes the project is the brainchild -- here are some of the panelists from earlier today at that rising stars meeting. >> saying something offensive, that is plastered all over the news. what is "ourbeing position." that is ludicrous. w

perot, i was a ross ralph nader, our current president, and hillary clinton. what about those four, in summary, do you support? caller: i am concerned about the -- the prior caller hit it on the head. not curve lineup is raining in the sequester -- north carolina is raining in the sequester. they try to cut back on schools, hospitals, you name it. i had to do a paradigm shift and go for independent money. how are you going to sell computer equipment to a family easier when it would be to sell the schools that can buy thousands. reynard from virginia, republican line, good morning. the person who i think best present my political party is none. did elected they start representing the national party. what makes you come to that decision? -- oncespecifically they get elected, even though locally we put them in for a specific reason, they start going to the national nra or the national republican position, regardless of what we locally said. who have you voted for in the past? caller: my recent vote was for ron paul. not representoes your vote? caller: no, he take