kody's fiancee, toni fratto. to tell the lawyers the story. >> so are you willing to proceed? >> i think so, yeah. >> we talked and we recorded that conversation with her permission and it was dynamite. >> you're about to hear a whole new version of mickey's murder and would turn the case upside down. >> am i to believe that you, in fact, were present when the girl got killed? >> yes. >> and here, from the lips of this quiet little teen came a horrifying story. kody wasn't the only killer. it began for her, she said, with a text from kody saying i have her. meaning mickey was in an suv and wanted kody to join him. kody picked her up and the three drove around, ending up at the gravel pits. then mickey and kody got out of the car and she started yelling at him and then pushing him. >> i looked away just for, like, a split second and then heard, like a loud thud on the car or whatever. so i had got out to see what happened. >> what did you see that had happened? >> micaela was on the ground, and she wasn't really m

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