hoffa, is being destroyed? because i would note, the senator from illinois made an allegation impugning my motives saying that i wanted 50 million people to be denied health care. let me be clear. that statement is categorically false. i want a competitive marketplace where health care is accessible, purchased across state lines, where it is personable, portable, where people have jobs so they can get health insurance and obamacare is what's denying health insurance to millions of americans. if you don't take my word for it assume you do not con contend tt mr. hoffa is being truthful? mr. durbin: awr you are an attorney. the witness refused to answer his very own question. i've been approached by many labor unions. some of them have taft-hartley plans, some have trust fund plans, some have multistate plans and they need provisions made in the obamacare law to deal with their specific circumstances. under the ordinary course of legislative and congressional business, over the last three years, we would have addr

the unions including jim hoffa or jimmy hoffa has been quoted here have said, look, back off.ist. they have said that because what cruz is doing is taking a legitimate and needed discussion about how to improve obama care and turning it into some sort of anti-obama care initiainitiativ. they're legitimate concerns and ought to be addressed. what they want to make sure is corporations don't gain the system to try and undermine existing health care protections. that should be discussed. but they are not saying that obama care is the ultimate nightmare and it's, you know, basically it's got to be defunded and taken down in the way ted cruz is. >> yeah, this all has to do with negotiated benefits, organized labor does not want to go in there and make a case and do a deal and have good health care then all of a sudden have it undermined. i think that is something they'll be able to work on. but can ted cruz back up the obama care attacks with any validity? >> well, factcheck.org, a national site, very nonpartisan, has said that ted cruz's speech is going to keep them working overti

hoffa showed. have the courage to speak out about the train wreck, about the nightmare that is obamacare that is hurting americans, that is killing jobs, that is pushing people into part-time work, that is driving up health insurance premiums and that's causing more and more people to lose their health insurance. that's the courage we need, but you know what? it will not come from business as usual in washington. it will not come from wanting to be popular. it will only come from elected officials making the decision, the radical decision to get back to the job we're supposed to do of listening to the people. make d.c. listen, that's what we should be doing. mr. lee: will the senator yield for a question? mr. cruz: i'm happy to yield for a question without yielding the floor. mr. lee: senator cruz, as i listened to your remarks, i am reminded of many events throughout our nation's history. the storied history involving a lot of comebacks, a lot of instances in which the american people were up agai

news the labor movement is expanding its global reach on friday teamsters general president james hoffa sign an agreement with a top brazilian labor leader of all the unions in the u.s. and brazil to work better together and support each other in a statement on the agreement office said that we are under attack here in the united states we say there is a war on workers because of the people here who want to take away everything we fought for this is a constant war this is a battle that goes on everywhere so that is why we have to form these alliances so what are the details of this new agreement and is this the beginning of increased efforts to globalize the labor movement joining me now for more on that is tim beatty director of global strategies with the international brotherhood of teamsters welcome thanks very much great to have you with us so tell me about this agreement first of all just in in general substance but it's not just the beginning go. i mean jim hoffa went to china to talk to the chinese workers in two thousand and seven he was in france this summer talking to the lead

there is a reason why the president of the team, james hoffa, used millions, saying obama care was destroyingword. now, why is it that harry reid and the senate democrats are not willing to listen to the millions of men and women -- >> but you're a terrific lawyer, you're making an argument, i asked you a specific argument based on the facts on the ground. you made these arguments for 21 hours, my goodness, you haven't moved anyone. >> look, the american people rejected obama care, they understand it is not working. the only people making the argument are the career politicians in washington, harry reid who wants to use brute force, the great thing about the constitution, the checks and balances, the ability to check one another, president obama has over and over again disregarded the law. when he granted an exemption for giant corporations, that was contrary to law. right now we have a system where the rich and powerful, those with connections to the obama administration, they get spared some of the burdens of obama care. but those who were struggling, single moms and young people and people

hoffa -- and, mr. president, with permission, i'd like to share that letter again because i think it is powerful, it is potent, it is something that frankly i think every democrat in this body who is supporting obamacare, who is opposing deif --who is opposing defunding obamacare, who is going to vote with the jocialtion i think -- e majority leader, i think every democrat should be asked about this letter. these are not my words. these are the words of the president of the teamsters. "dear leader reid and leader pelosi, when you and the president sought our support for the a. cree a., you pledged if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. sadly, that promise is under threat. right now, unless you and the obama administration affect an equitable fix, the a.c.a. will shatter not only our hard-erned health benefits but destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweek that is the backbone of the american middle-class. " that's not a republican saying that. that's not a politician saying t

hoffa demonstrated. listen to the people, the senate will step forward and defund obamacare because it isn't working. >> republican senator ron johnson is on the budget committee and joins us. nice to see you. >> hello, greta. >> have you decided how you are going to vote friday? >> we'll see what's presented to us. iffer with voting to proceed to a vote on a bill that actually defund obamacare it's hard not to vote to proceed to the final passage. if you are going to defund obamacare you have to pass a bill because obamacare is a permanent law, part of the mandatory spend ing. you have to pass it through the senate and have the president sign it into law. at some point in time we have to take the risk that we've got the support of the american people to put pressure on democratic senators and they are the holdouts. every democratic senator will vote to repeal or defund obamacare. can we get democratic senators to join us? we have to take the risk. >> when you vote on cloture, you uh don't know what the

we can't why can they take care of their people and we can take care of our people president james hoffa you're doing great work thank you so much for it to seize it was. crazy a large exotic dancers of the world unite for over thirty years the last the lady gentleman's club in san francisco california has pleased customers and employees alike it's top notch. and since one thousand nine hundred six at least fair wages that year the last three ladies dancers became the first strip joint crew in the country to unionize in two thousand and three those dancers took their labor activism a step further when they bought the club from its owners and turned it into a worker owned collective funnels. on monday however when the last he laid closed its doors for good joints workers owners so they could no longer afford the pricey bay area rent although the last the lady may be no more it's almost two decades long one is the only unionized strip club in the country to be an inspiration for exotic dancers and workers everywhere and together fight their bosses because to borrow a phrase from an old lab

it's james hoffa, the head of the teamsters. it's senator manchin.senator baucus who called it a train wreck. it's a bipartisan agreement that this thing is a disaster. >> the legislative process will take its course. the house is going to come up with a proposal, send it back to mr. reid. we'll see what happens. the senate is not even in session until 2:00 p.m. on monday. i don't really get that. congressman peter welch, appreciate it. steve, thank you. you heard what the congressman had to say. but that countdown to a government shutdown is still ticking. we'll bring in our experts who join us with their brilliant commentary up next on "kudlow." aw this is tragic man, investors just like you could lose tens of thousands of dollars on their 401(k) to hidden fees. thankfully e-trade has low cost investments and no hidden fees. but, you know, if you're still bent on blowing this fat stack of cash, there's a couple of ways you could do it. ♪ ♪ or just go to e-trade and save it. boom. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] 1.21 gigawatts. today, that's easy. ge is revo

speak with james hoffa general president of the international brotherhood of teamsters. what is the state of working america right across the globe right now workers are suppressed we see what's going on what's happened since two thousand and ten we see right to work in michigan right to work in indiana we see basically a full court press against workers to keep their wages down to take away their power and you touched on the fact of what's called globalization globalization is another word to move my job to mexico if that's globalization and we know what it is and basically we're losing good jobs in this country in the old days you could work in a factory you could work at a machine shop you could sweep some place out and those jobs are gone and urban areas and basically everywhere in this country there are less jobs today than ever before and less people are working and what's happened is that wages have stagnated despite the fact that we have inflation so it means people have gone backwards so what do we see people having one job to job three jobs trying to survive in

martha: i just want to pull up what james hoffa said.te from the letter he wrote: right now unless you and the obama administration enact an equitable fix, the aca will starter our hard-earned benefits and destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweek that is the backbone of the american middle class. and, tom, we have seen a lot of evidence that companies are hiring more part-time workers or pushing people down to part time which may be the discrepancy that jay carney referred to there. >> well, there's no question that any new program is going of to experience some adjustment. but one of the things i think, martha, we have to look at is the enormous hypocrisy involved in this so-called support of labor by people like ted cruz. they love any kind of labor-left dispute, but the hypocrisy relates to the fact that people like ted cruz strongly oppose any subsidies to labor, particularly for their health plans. so that this is not really an honest statement on his behalf. moreover, at the end of the day who do you think labor is going to s

how long will it be until we see democratic senators that have the courage of james hoffa to remain silentlonger and to speak out for the men and women of america who are losing their jobs -- >> cruz is trying to block a spending bill that would fund the federal government past october 1st and leave the so-called obama care intact. but as quite house correspond earth mike reports, cruz's rally cry may just be in vain. >> i intend to speak in support of did h did he defunding obamae until i can no longer stands. >> reporter: he's fighting a lost cause. >> filibusters stop people from voting and we are going to vote tomorrow. it's under the rules, no one can stop it. >> reporter: reed reid has the votes, cruz does not. as the clock ticks towards a possible shutdown next tuesday, even republican leader mitch mcconnell says while i backs the idea, cruz and highs allies are wasting time. >> we may not always agree on tactics, but on the question of revealing ow obama care we are feetly united. >> reporter: after facing criticism when he was told there was go ahead he could d told the could do h

that's james hoffa of the teamsters union who's saying obama care is breaking the bank and it's breaking the back of the 40 hour workweek and getting rid of benefit work packages. ask everyone in mine and charlie's districts. 29 1/2 hours is a full-time job? it's not working. >> hold on a second. i think we all want the economy to grow. nobody wants to shut down america's government. but you guys sound like my kids. my kids are like, i didn't eat that cookie, he ate that cookie. i'm not trying to shut down the government. obama's trying to shut down the government. you have smuggled into what should be a normal bill, a continuing resolution to keep the government going, this other thing object obama care. you have to take responsibility for that -- >> have you talked to bill clinton about that? twice during bill clinton's presidency, he raised the debt ceiling, once with democrats, once with republicans. >> not with a gun to his head -- >> he totally had a gun to his head. >> and let me remind folks that this has happened before, 1973 democrats did the same thing to nixon. they held a gu

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point that there is labor opposition to the law president hoffa has come out and asked ted cruz to stop misquoting him for the record so how do unions really feel about obamacare for more on this as well as the latest in the labor movement i'm joined now by leo gerard international president of the united steel workers. it's great to have you with us again great to be with you go to thank you . first of all. they congressional republicans kim jong il obamacare you know what were the unions at actually look at the. ted cruz is the kim jong il of the republican party number one and the reality is that there are some concerns that we have a boat the affordable care act but they're not concerns we're saying crash the act we're saying these are things we need to work out over the coming months and years just like we did when we had medicare just like we did medicaid just like we do with social security all of those things go worked out over time and the reality is that these guys want to trash it because they know it's going to work you're going to have young people that can keep on their fa

. >> teamsters president james hoffa said obamacare would destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week that was the backbone of the middle class. >> joining me to discuss all the issues involved are michael being, of in these times, he joins us from san francisco and mike cannon, from the kato institute. thank you both for being with us tonight. the white house has rejected the request from the afl-cio to change the rules of the obamacare. what the unions are asking is that they want their low wage workers to be able to get, who are part of multiemployer health plans to be able to get subsidies that other low income workers who sign up for obamacare will get. what's the issue there, mike? >> so basically, the issue here is that you have a -- two employers that are competing for workers in low wage transient workforces about. the way a lot of construction work works is that workers are employed for three or four weeks as long as the construction work goes on and then they may be unemployed for some period. if the worker works for two weeks and is unemployed for two weeks, the plan

jimmy hoffa wrote a letter to the president that you are destroying the 40 hour work woke and healthare plan. democrats are dping to crack and we are nudging them in the right trekz to save the american people. >> there is friction and tension, but going forward, is the senate going to come together? is there a deep wound that is going to take time to heal among the republicans by the way? >> no, look, this is a difference in opinion about tactics. that's all it is. we are all in favor of getting rid of obama care, we just voted that way friday. there is no difference of opinion on obama care. but i, for example didn't think a government shutdown which 80 percent of the american people are against was a good idea. we will not shut the government down. the bill is back from the house and hope it will be more appealing to the senate democrats, we know they are nervous about obama care as well. >> senator tis it a pleasure to visit with you. there is a lot going on in washington and glad there is, maybe this will get resolved. it is a plosure. >> thank you, mike. nthree years she was ta

hoffa. we see more leaders in washington listening to the american people and helping stop this nightmare. >> [indiscernible] putting dents in obamacare -- >> i am not going to speculate on any possible continuing resolution that will come. amendment, one of the things that frustrates the people so much is the hypoxia in washington. obama has granted exemptions for big is this, for members of congress, hard-working american families are told there will be no exemption for you. to haveo not happen high paid lobbyists, if you do not walk the car doors of power, then the senate is apparently not listening to you and not interested in treating you as well as members of congress and big bigness. that is fundamentally wrong. washington should operate under principles that are good for the but not for me is why people are so frustrated with washington. the ruling class is treated differently from hard-working american families. the people hurting the most are young people, single moms, hispanics, a

and in order to be able to show that they're tough, rfk, get hoffa. this a hoffa situation. i've never seen the justice department do this other than with hoffa. just say, listen, due process -- >> jpmorgan will pay a lot to move on. >> jpmorgan wishes it was as easy as someone saying move on. >> that's not robert kennedy in your ear, by the way. >> i loved rfk. >> we count down to the opening bell on this wednesday. one more look at futures and "squawk on the street" is back in a minute. ♪ [ male announcer ] staying warm and dry has never been our priority. our priority is, was and always will be serving you, the american people. so we improved priority mail flat rate to give you a more reliable way to ship. now with tracking up to eleven scans, specified delivery dates, and free insurance up to $50 all for the same low rate. [ woman ] we are the united states postal service. [ man ] we are the united states postal service. [ male announcer ] and our priority is you. go to usps.com® and try it today. >>> we got six minutes before the opening bell. it is wednesday, "mad dash

it, if they saw hoffa leaving too soon out of the -- bobby kennedy said, i want around the clock, get hoffa. >> doesn't it feel like there is an around the clock, get jim may. >> let's hope he doesn't end up under the bleachers in the meadowlands. >> those are about as good of seats as you want for the giants. >> the old meadowlands. >> at least you don't have to watch what happens. >> the headline in the posts, disgraced. >> carl banks said at one point, this is insanity. one of my absolute favorite anal sifts. >> you are going to try for the offensive line next week. you might do a better job. >> i have won the waiver wire in fan s fantasy. >>> blackberry sharing moving lower. you have probably heard the smartphone maker warned of a much longer than expected loss. it plans to cut up to 4,500 jobs. blackberry's former ceo has reached out to private equity about a possible joint bid. the price target is $8. they are both narrow to neutral. they are both now saying their risks are played out and we are left with a sum of the parts situation. >> when you listen to what we're saying abou

not too long ago teamsters president james hoffa, wrote a letter saying he was writing on behalf of hard-working millions of americans that it is destroying health care. harry reid said he will do nothing to respond to the millions of hard working men and women whose health care is being destroyed by obamacare. that's not reasonable and that's not compromising. that is an extreme radical position. if harry reid sticks to it, he may force a government shutdown. that would be a real mistake and i hope he doesn't. >> should harry reid be calling for you to be back in the senate on a sunday? >> absolutely yes. the house of representatives was here to pass this bill. we are less than 48 hours away from that potential government shutdown. what is -- what are they doing? at home. i would love to be home with my little girls. sunday afternoons we go to the park and play. i would love to be doing that. i am here in washington because there is work to do and there is no reason the senate should be home on vacation when we are 48 hours from a shutdown. harry reid should call them back and let's get to work

james hoffa wanted to pass obamacare.id that this law is unworkable to the point where it is destroying middle-class families with a 40 hour workweek. the president has said he wants to get the ladies of the law but only to the select few with access to the white house. i would encourage all of our senators to stand up and fight for the american people. i think they will be hearing from the american people. >> john boehner and eric cantor have tried to say that the better higher ground for you guys to fight on is on the debt ceiling, that government shutdowns never go well. john boehner lived through it in 1995 and 1996 with greenwich. do you think this is something obama desperately needs and you have more leverage their than you do on the cr? >> we have a number of leverage points. the continuing resolution is a leverage point. all of the things -- these things will be coming up. you only have about a two or three week gap between the end of the fiscal year and when the debt ceiling is going to be hit somewhere in mid o

irrational and blackmail, the first thing i thought listening to that is i wonder if he thinks james hoffa, the president of the teamsters was irrational. >> reporter: whether or not congress avoids a government shutdown next week, the president warned lawmakers will have to extend the debt ceiling by the middle of next month. failing to do that, he says, will have a destabilizing effect on the world economy and warned lawmakers, don't fool with it. >> wendell, a bit of history today and a big forpgs move for the president, he and the iranian president talked on the phone today. president obama saying he believes he can deal with hassan rowhani over his nuclear ambitions. >> president rouhani has made clear that iran will not develop nuclear weapons. the test will be meaningful, transparent and verifiable actions, which can also bring relief from the comprehensive international sanctions currently in place. >> and a tweet from president rowhani's twitter account following that phone call in regards to the nuclear issue with political will, there is a way to rapidly solve the matter. i expr

president healthcare law creates to the economy which is devastating, but the uion bosses like james hoffant out how the president's healthcare law destroys the middle class work week. these are problems and the president wants to ignore it and trudge forward regardless of the daniel and the devastation causing to families all over the country. >> uma: what about the effort to delay obamacare for a year for everyone? do you see it as a viable option if the defunding efforts don't succeed? >> i think all of these are really good options. you will see us in the house, when we come back next week, actually take up a bill to increase the debt ceiling, barring limit. while putting a one-year delay of obamacare in place. and addressing a number of other reforms that need to be made to get economy on track and balance budget path, something we knead to do. approving the keystone pipeline what has the massive bipartisan support. just because extremist on the president's left don't want to do this, the president has said no to 25,000 new american jobs. in energy security for america. we'll continue

hoffa wrote recently. the senate majority leader harry reid and house minority leader nancy pelosi." dear leader reid and leader pelosi, when you and the president sought our support for the affordable care act, you pledged that if we liked the health plans we have now, we could keep them. sadly, that promise is under threat. right now, unless you and the obama administration enact an equitable fix, obamacare will shatter not only our hard-earned benefits but destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweek that is the backbone of the american middle class." that's not me speaking. that's james hoffa, the president of the teamsters. "like millions of other americans, our members are on the front line -- are front-line workers in the american economy. we have been strong supporters of the notion that all americans should have access to quality, affordable health care. we have also been strong supporters of you." i would note this is addressed to senate majority leader harry reid and house minority leader nanc

. >> teamsters president james hoffa said obama care will destroy the foundation of the 40-hour workweekt is the backbone of the american middle class. we need congress to stand up and defund obama care now. >> let's bring in nera tandem and former senior adviser to the obama administration on the health care act. and rick tyler is a republican strategist for the strategy group company and a former gingrich spokesman. the most recent kaiser poll finds 42% of americans have an unfavorable view and 20% more don't even know. how does bill clinton convince doubters and basically clarify for everybody? >> well, look. he has been called secretary of explaining stuff. i think we have seen that really there is few people alive who can -- who are better spokes people for issues than president clinton. i think he is going to talk today about how the health care law is already working. we have seen record low costs for health care. health care inflation is at a 50-year low. he is also going to talk about how important it is for people to get covered october 1st is when exchanges really open up and

wreck is what the democratic senator lead author of obamacare called it and nightmare is what james hoffae president of the teamsters called it. >> the administration is hoping for 7 million people to find a bottom line. benefits will be provided as early as january 1. >> gregg: elisabeth, thank you. >> arthel: when we come back, breakfast aisles at the local market are loaded with all kinds of cereals to choose from. but are there brands to separate the best from the rest [ male announcer ] what's important to you? at humana, our medicare agents sit down with you and ask. hanging out with this guy. he's just the love of my life. [ male announcer ] getting to know you is how we help you choose the humana medicare plan that works best r you. mi familia. ♪ [ male announcer ] we want to help you achieve your best health, so you can keep doing the things that are important to you. keeping up with them. i love it! [ male announcer ] helping you -- now that's what's important to us. they cook break fast together and more important than ever. the consummer report taste tested 26 cereals for the

i ask you this because you know union leaders, james hoffa is one of those who wrote a letter to you and said obama care is now stands would "destroy the foundation of the 40 hour work week." that's pretty tough from a loyal democratic constituency. >> well, we're working on the issue that relates to all of these multiemployer plans which unions are one and some are charities. >> bargaining rights or otherwise risks. there is more than one employer involved. >> in a contract. and that has to be certainly clarified. there's so much the president can do within the law. but there is some leeway to facilitate as we are in the congress under the exchanges. so i'm optimistic. we will find a path. but overwhelmingly for the american people, this is a liberati liberation. this is life, healthy life, liberty, the freedom to pursue your happiness which could be follow your passion for good rather than follow your palace and be con trained by your policy. it's about wellness. it's about prevention, it's about a healthier america. >> it's not reducing the deficit so far? >> it s by any measure y

james hoffa's letter was scathing that he wrote to the president. >> and i'm not defending.ama care. my statement -- let me make it clear. my statement did not defend obama karks but what unions do is they protect workers and make sure they have proper health care. what person in this audience, who doesn't want health care from an employer? who doesn't want protection? >> i wouldn't -- personally, unless it was a rhetorical question, i don't expect the person that hires me to take care of me in every aspect of my life. i just don't do it. that's just me. >> as a self-employed person, i expect my employer to take care of that, but i'm self-employed. >> i am a small business owner, i pay my own health insurance. >> i want to bring in keith. help us understand, this isn't something that's just about numbers and figures, it is about real people with some real hurt in their lives, but it does get to the point of what is a better answer than asking the government to come in and demand certain things? is there a market solution, or do we have to wait for the government to come in a