no special deals for big business, big labor unions. no special deals for washington elites while working americans are having to suffer through this program. alternately, this is about tens of millions of our fellow countrymen, underemployed and unemployed in this week, tepid recovery. and trillions and trillions of debt. we are on the road to bankruptcy. people in washington say, don't rock the boat, put this off until tomorrow. we cannot put this off until tomorrow. the opportunity on the continuing resolution and the debt ceiling is to deal with improving our economy to put us on the road to fiscal solvency today. today is the time to seize the moment. >> congressman, as you pointed out, you had four bills. they rejected everyone. what is it you realistically hope to a combo should now? give us a specific proposal you think might actually work -- >> we're not sure anything is going to work if the president and harry reid refused to negotiate. in the press today, the administration said they really do not care how long the government

don't give a break to big business and big labor unions and not to workers.ive a break to the washington elite, the white house, the president and congress and yet impose it on working americans. that's what we're asking for. >> that to me is a little bit ironic. you want to get rid of obama care. but on the other hand you're saying if you're going to do it, have it apply to more people? which is it? >> i don't see the irony in equal protection under the lawful basic fairness. we don't believe in obama care. i would like to repeal it, defund it. by the way the president has already signed seven changes into law. he's granted over 1,200 waivers. there is been a delay of the out-of-pocket expenses. a delay of income verification. the delays go on. it is not ready for prime time. the truth of the matter is we can't do this. we can't delay obama care or even repair it without president obama. all we're asking the president is, the least you can do is get rid of the sweetheart deals. if it is going to be the law of the than, i don't want it to be, then make it equ

mandate, even though obama has given delays to the big insurance companies, big businesses and big labor unionsave equity between government employees who work for congress and you and me and not to get rid of the stupid tax that obama care has that makes medical devices more expensive. the democrats are now going to turn around and vote not to keep the veterans affairs open, not to keep the national parks open and not to keep the d.c. open. they're accumulating votes that are going to cost them senate seats and obama is not looking out after their interests. he's already passed his election. >> all right. well, i'm glad i didn't ask you for the long-winded response. grover, it's always good to see you. bill, grover, carol, a lively panel tonight. give grover a round of applause. he doesn't get one. >>> coming next, some straight talk on the shutdown from jesse ventura. he's flown in to be with me live and unleashed after the break. i was made to work. make my mark with pride. create moments of value. build character through quality. and earn the right to be called a classic. the lands' end no

mandate, even though obama has given delays to the big insurance companies, big businesses and big labor unionsto have equity between government employees who work for congress and you and me and not to get rid of the stupid tax that obama care has that makes medical devices more expensive. the democrats are now going to turn around and vote not to keep the veterans affairs open, not to keep the national parks open and not to keep the d.c. open. they're accumulating votes that are going to cost them senate seats and obama is not looking out after their interests. he's already passed his election. >> all right. well, i'm glad i didn't ask you for the long-winded response. grover, it's always good to see you. bill, grover, carol, a lively panel tonight. give grover a round of applause. he doesn't get one. >>> coming next, some straight talk on the shutdown from jesse ventura. he's flown in to be with me live and unleashed after the break. i was having trouble i was having trouble getting out of bed in the morning because my back hurt so bad. the sleep number bed conforms to you. i wake up in the

unions get to pick and choose what they like and don't like. wh not the american people. average joe, obama is always making e exemption for big business, and labor unions then he says he is there for middle class, that is notrue. >> the people threaten to trash the economy over obamacare. >> the republicansre not trash -- >> our entire credit rating on the line here because of an attempt to sabotage obamacare. this is the mos extmist thing we'v seen in the u.s. congres >> are you kidding me? tell me you are kidding me, this is -- the debt eiling is always used as political leverage, this happened under nixon, ted kennedy tried to attach an amendment to the debt ceiling, it happened under carter, this happens all of the time. >> but we've never been this closeo a default. we have the world community -- >> ted cun dee unde kennedy. >> are you aware of the -- >> stothe talking point. >> i'm not. >> i'm tl you what we're hearing in the news. >> you are trying to say this has never happened. this is has happened. charles: david -- do you think that our economy -- we're at risk that we'll fall off a cliff, and implode, as a nation because that is ane

no special deals for big business, big labor unions. no special deals for washington elites while working americans are having to suffer through this program -- program. alternately, this is about tens fellowions of our countrymen, underemployed and unemployed in this week, tepid recovery. and trillions and trillions of debt. we are on the road to bankruptcy. people in washington say, don't rock the boat, put this off until tomorrow. we cannot put this off until tomorrow. the opportunity on the continuing resolution and the debt ceiling is to deal with improving our economy to put us on the road to fiscal solvency today. today is the time to seize the moment. >> congressman, what -- as you pointed out, you had four bills. they rejected everyone. what is it you realistically hope to a combo should now? give us a specific proposal you think might actually work -- >> we're not sure anything is going to work if the president and harry reid refused to negotiate. in the press today, the administration said they really do not care how long the

obviously there are computer glitches, still the big story about labor unions having serious concernshe cost of their health care coverage going up. there s is a lot to be had abou concerns about obama care and it would have helped republicans in the 2014 election, but that really got subsumed by this strategy. >> so what about the cop ser conservatives who are saying how about delaying it, how about standing up for some sort of delay. because it's not ready for prime time is what they say. >> they could have taken a strategy possibly of saying aligning themselves with liberals in the union to try to move ahead on that. but to do something more positive. but the idea to fight an unwinnable fight which was to go to attach the defunding of obama care to this budget proposal -- >> i get that part. >> we've said it a million times, but it was an unwinnable fight. >> we are where we are. going forward, these people still say, listen, this thing is bad. >> i'll tell you how bad it is. sebelius wouldn't answer how many have signed because we all know it's a pathetic number and they won't say

he's delayed it for big businesses, labor unions. if you're a special interest, you get a delay.inkty end of the day we're going to win this war. through public pressure, people like nicole, who says, you know what? i can't afford another $446 a month for this reckless plan that was put together by liberal democrat did maniesivities congressman, thanks for coming in. >> thank you, wolf. >>> we'll see what time this vote happens on the house floor following the senate vote. you can always following what's going on at twitter. that's all time i have right now. "crossfire" starts right now. >>> welcome to "crossfire." i'm newt gingrich, and i'm van jones on the left. we're waiting for the senate to finally vote on the deal. this is a total vindication of president obama and his strategy by refusing to negotiate with the crazy wing of the republican party. it is a total humiliating, crushing defeat for ted cruz and his wing of the republicans. listen to how house speaker boehner conceded defeat on his hometown radio station. >> we've been marching the fight, trying to bring governmen

the house does not want to give labor unions a separate break, a big issue, when labor started revolving against obama. they do not want a separate tax break for labor unions that would give them their cadillac plans back and number three, they want to get -- they want to cut the medical device tax. they believe, you know, hearing aids and pacemakers and things of that sort. number four, they do want more specific income verification for the subsidies. okay. that would go to people who go into the video mandate. those obama care requirements are the sticking points inside the gop conference there's still discussions about the merits, the conference itself is not unified. it has not voted yet. but they want those on the top of the dates we talked about yesterday and the dates are okay. so far as i know, the dates to extend the cr and the debt limit and the dates to get a new budget are all okay. >> larry, you mentioned a whole lot of sticking points. we are october 15th today. october 17th is the dead line. i'm going to ask you to be a betting man. do you think we're going to go over with

big gap separates both sides in bart's labor talks. but how big depends on who you ask. bart says there is an $89 million gap. one union says it has released $30 million. that's because both sides disagree on how long the new labor contract should last. bart wants a four-year deal and the unions want a three-year pact. talks resume tomorrow to prevent another strike and potentially next week that could happen one week from tonight in fact. >>> just ahead, chaos at the capitol. a woman killed with her child in the backseat of her car. tonight we hear from her sisters. what they have to say about the shooting. >> and the secret message by one furloughed government agency. what they are asking for tonight. >> and how twitter helped a company's stock sore 14%. >> and let the playoffs begin. a packed house in oakland female announcer: female announcer: save up to 35% on a huge selection of clearance mattresses. get two years interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. sleep train's inventory clearance sale is on now. ♪ your ticket to a better night's sleep ♪ of the woman killed during a car chase in the nation's capital want t

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don't give labor unions and big business a one-year reprieve, and you know, if there's anything that makes americans cynical it's washington elites passing laws that they are unwilling to live under. why wasn't the president the first one to sign up for obama care? why isn't the president, the vice president, the cabinet, the white house, subject to this? members of congress are, but then they first are going to be the only americans to have an employer contribution in the individual market, now they have moved us to the small business market. i don't know if this is legal but americans believe that if we're going to have obama care, it at least ought to be applied equally, no special deals. so that's what we're asking for. >> i want to talk about that and give you a chance to respond, because politic fact looked into what you said about the special exemption. it said it's a pants on fire lie. they say quote, your statement is wrong in almost every regard and the issue has been largely driven by republicans, not by the obama administration. the members of congress, especially speaker

labor dispute. just one week away. union leaders announced they have reached an agreement on pensions. one of the bigs in this labor dispute. >> the union has made a proposal to pick up almost $3 million of additional money in healthcare and on top of that, the unions made a creative proposal on wages. >> however, still no agreement on salaries or work safety. the ktvu's paul chambers was there and will have a live update at 8:30. >> 8:05. some of san francisco francisco's most popular tourist sites are closed this morning due to the government shut down. now that includes a popular restaurant. the cliff house known for sweeping views of the pacific ocean is operated by the national park's service. if you are looking for ocean view you can eat at the family owns louie restaurant which overlooked since 1937. >> we were told initially that we don't have to close because we're not considered a concession. we're lessee of the national park service. at this time we get to stay open and i hope it remains that way. >> other locations closed include alcatraz, fort point. and the shut downs already having a n

charles: no surprise here, president obama a big supporter of organized labor, the unions, but did het? we're going to talk about this after the break. take a listen. >> i want to get something, but i don't know, i don't know exactly what i'm going to get, but i just got to stop working till i get things. so i can reach ally bank 24/7, but there are no branches? 24/7. i'm sorry, i'm just really reluctant to try new things. really? what's wrong with trying new things? look! mommy's new vacuum! (cat screech) you feel that in your muscles? i do... drink water. it's a long story. well, not having branches let's us give you great rates and service. i'd like that. a new way to bank. a better way to save. ally bank. your money needs an ally. >> he may be a great communicator, but another failed analogy by the president. instead of comparing obamacare to apple he's comparing the shutdown to an unhappy work employee. take a listen to this. >> if you're working here and in the middle of the day you stopped and said, you know what? i want to get something, but i don't know -- i don't know exactl

you know, don't give a sweetheart deal to big business and labor unions that you don't give to averagee kind of sweetheart deal so washington that you're not giving to constituents. if obama care is good enough for working americans, it ought the to be good enough for the president, the vice president, the cabinet and members of congress. those are two very simple items that i would hope the president would agree to. >> yeah. jeb, those are pretty clear. he has given an exemptions to so many corporations and other entities including congress. >> 1,100 at last count. >> the two big items are those items. i wonder if republicans would accept a deal that, okay, maybe they don't get the one-year exemptions for everybody else. at least they get rid of their own exemptions which is your most powerful argument. don't exempt congress from the very law they passed. do you think that might be enough for some republican members if the president just got rid of the congressional exemptions? >> again, as i said earlier, i think we are through negotiating with ourselves. >> right. >> if there are de

but at the end of the day, if this ceo of big company, went into default because he would not negotiate with the labor unions should get fired? the board, or the ceo? neil: do you think we're going into default. >> that is correct. and i think the immediate impact of the shut -- so-called shut down is very manageable. neil: do you think that republicans brought this upon themselves by insisting to defunding obamacare? >> the subject matter may be obamacare. i think that real question is how are you going do govern? you need leadership to govern, legislative -- >> would you fall the leadership a among republicans? >> well, i think that ceo of the cotry is to blame for break downs in -- >> is there anyone out there you see who is up to and future years just? >> probably is, one good thing about having a big crisis is that is where the real leadership tends -- >> you think it still out there, a lot of people say america is down for the count, you are a big patriot. do you think they are out there? >> look at, england. before world war ii, winston churchhill was kicked out of -- >> a good point. >> a big crisis

. >>> a big gap separates both sides in bart's labor talks but how big depends on who you ask. bart says there had an $89 million gap. at least one union says it's $30 million. they disagree on how long a new labor contract should last. part officials want a four year contract and the unions want three years. talks resume today to prevent another strike, which could come next week. >>> two dogs that strayed into a rural brentwood property were shot to death, not killed by a shovel as first reported. john originally told officials he beat the dogs to death with a shovel and key mated them but they say he was covering for his father, who shot the dogs last saturday after they began killing his chickens. state law does allow an owner to kill a dog attacking livestock. yikes. here's lisa with the forecast. yesterday was a wild one. hot, smoky, windy, dangerous. >> right. more heat is on the way. wind has backed off. in the 40s in the north bay and 70s at half moon bay. here's a look at san francisco. clear skies, low to mid-60s right now. the sun won't be up until after 7:00. still very beachy this weekend. i'll have the forecast coming up

. >>> a big gap separates both sides in bart's labor talks, but how big depends on who you ask. bart says there had an $89 million gap. at least one union says it's really $30 million. they disagree on how long a new labor contract should last. bart officials want a four year contract and the unions want three years. talks resume today to prevent another strike, which could come next week. >>> two dogs that strayed into a rural brentwood property were shot to death, not killed by a shovel as first reported. john originally told officials he beat the dogs to death with a shovel and cremated them, but they say he was covering for his father, who shot the dogs last saturday after they began killing his chickens. state law does allow an owner to kill a dog that is attacking livestock. >> lisa is here mao with the forecast. we understand some lanes have reopened. a bad crash around 4:15. this has been an hours-long process but some lanes starting to reopen. now weather. >> yes, and good news too. with lighter winds around the bay, the red flag warnings have been dropped but the elevated fire danger stays with us as temperatures climb through

big part of that. you've got labor costs with heavily unionized work force. an historically good relationship with those unions. it's economically sensitive. and now you've got a customer base that really hates the product. it's like, you know, driving or riding in a greyhound bus with wings. it's something people don't enjoy doing anymore. and every time that they come up with a new way of making revenue or growing profits, it ticks their customers off with these fees and smaller seats. so this is not a place i would invest any money in for the long term. >> dave, the airlines index, the one we showed, is up 69% i think it is year to date here. big run. would you be a buyer at these levels? >> i wouldn't be a buyer, but i definitely wouldn't be a seller. i'd wait for a pullback. if you look at the chart i sent you guys, you look at the 150-day moving average, 150-day moving average, it's going directly through the center of the chart. it's up 17% from there where the stock is trading now. so it's a little above where we'd want to buy. i'd wait for the pullba

. >>> well big gap separates still both sides in bart labor talk but how big depends on who you ask. bart says there is 89 million dollar gap at least one union official says it's a 30 million dollar gap. that's because the union and bart disagree on how long a new labor contract should last. bart officials want 4 year dea deal. union prefer 3 year contract t.work course good on strike again after cooling off period expires on thursday. meaning one week from tonight we can be facing another bart strike t.we'll site. coming up next. this friday. the big name perform this weekend and there are some real surprises, too at the blue grass festival. >> biggest snowstorm in history in this town in wyoming t.incredible. >> why president obama decided to grab something to eat at to grab something to eat at this restaurant >> winds and wildfire it was snowing in wyoming colorado and south did coat. some areas picked up as much as 33 inches of snow this early in the season. all flights in and out of rapid city regional airport cancelled today. conditions made navigating nearly impossible. biggest october storms in wyoming history. in casper school distr

the bart strike threat now and a big gap separates both sides in the labor talks, but how big depends on who you ask. bart says there is an $89 million gap and one union says it is 30 million. they disagree on how long the new contract should be. bart officials want a four-year labor contract and the unions want three years. talks will resume to prevent another strike that would come next week. >>> two dogs were shot to death and not killed as first reported. he said he beat the dogs to death and then cremated him. he was covering for his father who shot them after he started killing his chickens. state law allows an owner to kill a dog that is killing livestock. >>> 8:09 and things are improving and couldn't be worse than yesterday. >> that's right. but the temperatures are well above normal and conditions are very dry outside. elevated fire danger despite the national weather service lifting the red flag warnings. gusty winds are gone and plenty of sunshine and in the 60s downtown. we have 40s and 70s this morning your afternoon forecast and the weekend and the week ahead when we return. >> lisa, thank you. also up next, chaos at the capitol. the si

at least $5 million or $6 million in labor costs for not paying union workers during the stoppage. and big savings on electricity costs, their pg&e bill. bottom line, b.a.r.t. probably spent between $8 million and $10 million to hold these two strikes. we suspect based on the estimates that it's less than a fifth of what they ended up paying out to the unions. moreover, had b.a.r.t. not drawn the line in the sand, the union package could have been a lot larger. from a business standpoint, it certainly seems like it makes sense for b.a.r.t. from a rider and taxpayer standpoint, it's an awfully significant waste of money and waste of time. i'm sam brock, that's today's "reality check." back to you. >> a lot of people will agree with that. thanks, sam. >>> more finger pointing tonight over problems with healthcare.gov website. they're blaming, though, the government for the disastrous rollout for making last-minute changes and not doing test runs. they say the site was overwhelmed from day one. embattled health and human services secretary kathleen sebelius says she's not resigning over the w

and the labor unions and attorneys for the city they will spend the day making their case before the judge just to give you an idea on how bigoday is here in detroit. we have attended several of these hearings and there have been protesting but nothing this big. >> reporter: thank you, bisi onile-ere. so just how bad is the financial situation in the motor city? more than one-third of its residents are living below the poverty line. there are some 78,000 abandoned structures in the city. and less than half of the streetlights work. but perhaps the most important indicator is the massive number of people who have left, more than a million moving away since 1950 when the city was a thriving industrial hub, now just 700,000 people are left >>> pakistani prime is headed to the u.s. today. trying to improve relationships with the us. president obama said he would restore the $1.6 billion in aid. he is also offering assistance in afghanistan as u.s. forces prepare to withdrawal next year. still tensions remain, mostly over those drone attacks. and amnesty international issuing reports yesterday calling into question the legality o

big businesses and themselves. and now they're going to try to pass something that exempted labor unions. and i thought this would be an issue in next year's election for democrats, but for republicans helping this out in the senate it will be a primary issue, as well -- >> wait, let me interrupt you, i think the viewers are well up to speed on the problems with obama care. but the question is, tonight we're talking about strategy and whether it failed. i get what you were trying to do and the viewers get what you were trying to do, take a principled stand. but the question is, did you hurt the republican party and the american people are going to -- the credit card will get raised, the debt limit will get raised. the government will resume with no conditions. that is what harry reid wanted. >> well, megyn, the deal we wanted today would have offered all of those things with the republicans, raise the debt another $300 billion, let obama care kick in, in january, that is why we said no, let's pass these exemptions, something simple. but i tell you, we don't have help from any senate repub

big gap separates both sides still in bart's labor talks. $89 million to be precise. workers could go on strike again after a cooling off expires this coming thursday. bart officials want a four-year deal. union leaders believe a sherter contract will give more leverage, negotiations in their future negotiation was bart. >> police think they have stopped a sex predator. officer as rested a 50-year-old transient, charged with annoying minors, molestation and sexual battery saying brickman touched three children ages 4, 7, and 16 in separate incidents. he was picked up last night. >> police in oregon released pictures of a motorist. the video is graphic but we'll show you some of it. sir? get back in the car for me now. sir? please get back in the car for me, now. you were speeding. shots fired, shots fired. >> unbelievable. the gunman was john allen shot in the chest drove for a half mile before he pulled over and died. his kids were in the car. they're okay. the trooper hit in the side and he's all right. the shooting ruled justified this, happened outside portland in august. >> incredible. >> the family of a connecticut woman shot to death in washington, d.c. has now identified her body. pol

unions and a new call to heal wounds of bart's labor relations. also, information about obama care. what officials are refusing to release. and your chance to buy silicon valley's next big thing. it's coming up in a half hour. dan? cheryl? >> thank you >> well, career builder out with a survey of the most outrageous excuses when workers call in sick. >> one person said his favorite football team lost, and he needed time to recover >> another said a swarm of bees surrounded a car ask he couldn't make it in. >> another said he couldn't decide what to wear >> another said he was quitting smoking, just too gruchy. >> i wonder if that worked? not for long? >> thanks for joining us. >> from all of us here, thanks for watching. come up with better >>> welcome to "world news." tonight memory loss, a startling admission from football legend brett favre. a question raised by a football giant, have all those concussions begun to take their toll. >>> pirate attack on a vulnerable ship near africa, two americans singled out, kidnapped. our brian ross on how this happened. >>> real money, the prescription eyeglasses you love for just $7. how we saved this family hundreds of dollars a

big hotels nearby and rental car companies and off-site parking lots. campaign fund-raising records clearly show a battle between labor and business with unions supportingrease, airlines and the hospitality industry opposing it. what is the broader economic impact for a specific set of workers? the doctor at the university of washington says there are so many moving parts it's hard to predict. >> the best research suggests that they do increase earnings for workers in the jobs. they decrease turnover for those employees, and they may damp down the number of those kinds of jobs that are there. >> reporter: there are only about 11,000 registered voters in the city. turnout will be critical. >>> well the u.s. supreme court began its new term today. the nine justices will tackle some constitutionally significant case us on controversial issues. david shuster joins us with more. >> the cases on this particular term not as high profile as previous years. but still the issues will have some reach on some of the greatest post passionate debates of our time. many believe that the political system is broken because of the flow of money into the system. the issue

about what is happening with the refinery in scotland, a big labor disputes at the refinery down, even threatened to close it down forever until union deal was reached. what does that mean for u.s.? the u.s. won't be exporting as much gasoline and product to europe as they thought. if they lost that refinery, they will be using crude. that was a good thing. also brought down gasoline and heating bills. people buying treasurys too. don't often see that correlation. >> if you look at what has happened we are looking at q e forever in the bond market. remember the market is so overcoming the fact that they thought the fed was going to tipper last time and some of it is bleak. a lot of traders are taught to think that the fed is locked into a non paper situation, well into march if not further so it will be bullish for the bond market. oil traders are not carrying as much because of the big inventories, we see a breakdown of a correlation. in won't the risk on or risk off when producing so much. lori: what is going gone with issues affecting trading? >> that was a phone switch that knocked out a lot of the internet connections across th

big unions. what is going on alex? >> >> reporter: bart board of directors scheduled an emergency meeting. they want to discuss the on going labor negotiations and slated for 3:00 this afternoon. it will be closed to the public. meantime we are moving into day four of this bart strike and you can see picket lines. no new talks are scheduled between the two sides. late last night the unions made a counter offer to bart management. they said that proposal would allow for changes to work rules related to new technology and that had been a sticking point that caused negotiations to break down last week. the unions are willing to accept bart's pay increase. a 12% raise over four years. so far for their part bart management -- strike union workers have ever ever many peep hoping that deadly accident over the weekend might push both sides to achieve some sort of a deal sooner rather than later. but again no plans for any new negotiations. no plans for both sides to return to the bargaining table. and no indications that the trains will begin rolling again any time soon. live in oakland alex savidge ktvu channel 2 news. >>> time is 5:04

unions followed the first labor agreement. yesterday the two sides announced they have reached a deal on pensions but they remain far apart on the other big issues. wages and benefits. there is still a possibility that bart workers could walk off the job when the cooling off period ends next thursday. >>> the public is running out of patience with bart's labor problems. and they are angry over the threat of another strike. 63% of those polled said that bart employees should accept bart's current contract offer and avoid a strike just 26% said the two sides should continue to negotiate even if it means a strike. >>> san francisco police are admitting mistakes were made in the investigation in the death of a bicyclist back in august. 24-year-old amali was hit by a truck and killed at sixth and folsom. first place say amulaoc was at fault. but surveillance video shows the truck driver was at fault. now the police are denying they are biased against cyclists. >>> a buffered bike lane is being added on folsom street between fourth and 11th street by the end of the year. the san francisco bicycle coalition campaign asked for those changes after

. >> reporter: union leaders say the obama care health plans are a big step down in quality from the ones they negotiated for their members. management points out organized labor supported president obama and his health care agenda during the election and now wants to be exempt. both sides believe this labor dispute is just the first of many to come. in seattle, dan springer, fox news. >>> still ahead, we'll meet some people who are affected by but still in favor of a government shutdown. first, media analyst on how the obama administration deals with whistle blowers and journalists overall. [ male announcer ] campbell's angus beef & dumplings. hearty cheeseburger. creamy thai style chicken with rice. mexican-style chicken tortilla. if you think campbell's 26 new soups sound good, imagine how they taste. m'm! m'm! good! >>> a journalism advocacy group is coming down hard on the obama administration for coming down hard on whistleblowers and leakers. fox news media analyst and host of fox's "media buzz" is here tonight. good eching, howard. >> good evening, bret. this scathing study by the committee to protect journalists says an investigation made government o

big business and the subsidy for members of congress. is that up fair? >> i would say the better strategy for the defund obama care crowd -- >> am i a part of that? >> labor unions have a problem with obama care. their strategy is based on taking down republicans who disagree with them. >> if the president gets away with this negotiating strategy on the debt limit and obama care and any leverage that republicans have, and they are in control of the house is gone. why do that? >> of course. also the president said i won't negotiate while they are holding something over my head. that's the only way there are negotiations. he holds something over the republicans' head and the republicans hold something over his head. i want to add one thing americans don't know. i do believe the president thinks so politically that hurting americans is okay for his strategy. i want to give one example and i'd love the liberals to respond. why since sequester has the president not allowed tours of the white house? it costs virtually nothing. there is a reason. he's petulant, immature and wants to hurt the american people. i would love liberals to respond to that. >> he loves to infl

big dog was putin. >> oh, interesting. deborah, did obama just bash the idea of strikes and unions which pretty much paid for his election? >> look, president obama did not go to cornell school of industrial and labor relations as i did where no one that graduated from cornell ilr and make that mistake. he made that mistake. that's all this is. i think a professor of constitutional law like he was at the university of chicago law school understands the concept of a strike and that it is allowed in certain situations. >> what do you think, eric? she is saying because he is a professor it is okay. she sounds like a communist. >> you know what, i want say communist. >> not on this channel. >> i wouldn't say communist. i say lennonist or something along those lines. but not publicly. when the cameras are rolling i say socialist. >> we willed dit it all out. >> it wasn't a miley thing. it was a britney thing. is britney the one -- the pretty one who shaved her head to get attention? or that sinead o'connor or was it miley cyrus? >> they all cut their hair one way or another. all pretty girls who sing who shave their heads particularly to get attention. >> i think she did it because she had to take a cou

unions follow the first major agreement in this bitter labor dispute. yesterday the two sides announced they have reached a deal on pensions but they do remain far apart on the other bigues. there is also still a possibility that bart workers could walk off the job when the cooling off period ends next thursday. >>> a new poll shows the public is running out of patients and they are angry over the threat of another strike that would cripple the bay area commute. 63% polled said bart employees should accept the current contract offer and avoid another strike. just 26% said the two sides should continue to negotiate even if it means another strike. >> i take note of this public strong feeling about this and the fact that it has increased since the last time we took the poll. >> the bay area council released this poll after talking to 500 commuters. >>> a tropical storm taking aim on the gulf coast and tropical storm karen could drop a lot of wind and rain this weekend. the clouds are building. the waves are crashing. officials are getting ready for tropical storm karen that could hit with near hurricane strength over the weekend. state officials are worried the governme

union follow the first major agreement in this bitter labor dispute. yesterday, the two sides announced they have reached a deal on pension but they remain far apart on the other bigissues of wage and benefits and there is still a possibility that b.a.r.t. workers could walk off the job when the cooling off period ends next thursday. >>> meanwhile, a new poll shows the public is running out of patients with b.a.r.t.'s labor problems and they are angry over the threat of another strike that would cripple the bay area commute. 53% of those polled say that b.a.r.t. employees should accept b.a.r.t.'s current contract offer and avoid another strike. just 26% said that the two sides should continue to netogiate even if it means another strike. >> i think they have strong feelings about this and the fact that it has increased since the last time we talked. >> the bay area council released this poll after talking to more than 500 local commuters. >>> later today, a prayer group will gather at three different locations in san francisco. they will be remembering three homicide victims. the group will begin near san francisco state unfortunate to hold an outdoor prayer servi